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Anarchy May 7 2008, 02:59 PM Post #61
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If Obama wins the nomination and runs against McCain. I just hope that Florida or any other state doesn't screw up, because you know it will turn into a racial issue.
Just stating the obvious.... B)

Be careful, Anarchy, sometimes stating the obvious will get you labeled a racist in this PC society. ;)

That's OK Lars.
Its easy to label someone you don't know... ;)
All I'm saying is it could make the L.A. riots look like a block party.... :D
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I'll say it again if you want to hear it.  Limbaugh is irrelevant.

You should get into politics eel, just keep repeating the same thing over and over again while completely ignoring the facts against your case and offering none of your own. It sounds familiar...."HOPE & CHANGE" What kind of change? "The kind of change that comes from hope." Where do we get the hope? "From change." What if gas prices give me no hope? "then you need to change". My taxes are so high now, will you change that? "we can only hope"

Very nice. :cheers:
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But then maybe you and I have a different idea what a racist is.

hoosier, I am basing my idea on what "racist" means by the same definition that Lars is using. It could very well be that we have a different definition.....how do you define a racist?

The man that I work with who is sitting about 6 feet to my left as I type this has stated and I quote "I would never vote for no nigger" he has also made it abundantly clear that he thinks every black person is a "nigger". That to me is the definition of a racist. To me you aren't a racist on a case by case basis. If you are black and you are a racist you aren't going to vote for Bill Clinton. Just like my co-worker would never vote for a black conservative Republican even though he is a conservative Republican, because he is a racist.

There are many white racists, no doubt. I'm glad you're not that way, Hogville. :cheers:
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hey Hog, I run my own business. If I have a job opening and I interview three candidates. One of them is white, one of them is black, and one is mexican. They are all basically equally qualified, and any one of them would be a great fit for my organization. Because they are all so equal, I decide to offer the job to the white candidate because of his color. Am I a racist for this act? It will be tempting, but try not to dodge the question.

Others might disagree (you included), but in my own humble opinion, no. Now, if you had said that the black and the mexican were MORE qualified than that white yet you gave the job to the white person, then I would say it was racist.
This of course is all assuming that you are in fact white. I mean cause if you were black and you did that you would be an Uncle Tom wouldn't you?

Seriously though, that is my take on it. Feel free to disagree.
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"I guarantee you African-American turnout, if I'm the nominee, goes up 30 percent around the country, minimum," Obama said

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2007...476719153_x.htm

In North Carolina, more than 45,000 black people signed up to vote in the first three months of 2008, compared with just over 11,000 in the first three months of 2004. There was also a fourfold rise in black voter registrations in Alabama, while Louisiana and Tennessee saw increases of 64 and 17 percent

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They were there for Kerry. I know because I saw it first hand.
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hey Hog, I run my own business.  If I have a job opening and I interview three candidates.  One of them is white, one of them is black, and one is mexican.  They are all basically equally qualified, and any one of them would be a great fit for my organization.  Because they are all so equal, I decide to offer the job to the white candidate because of his color.  Am I a racist for this act?  It will be tempting, but try not to dodge the question.

Others might disagree (you included), but in my own humble opinion, no. Now, if you had said that the black and the mexican were MORE qualified than that white yet you gave the job to the white person, then I would say it was racist.
This of course is all assuming that you are in fact white. I mean cause if you were black and you did that you would be an Uncle Tom wouldn't you?

Seriously though, that is my take on it. Feel free to disagree.

If that's how you feel than at least your argument is consistent hoosier. I would like to comment on this though.

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This of course is all assuming that you are in fact white. I mean cause if you were black and you did that you would be an Uncle Tom wouldn't you?


I'm not sure if you were joking here or not. If you weren't joking, then tell me how my color would have made a difference in your judgement of this situation? Racism doesn't have to mean that you favor your race. If I, being white, choose a black person because of his race, that is as much racist as choosing a white person because of his race isn't it?
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I'll say it again if you want to hear it.  Limbaugh is irrelevant.

You should get into politics eel, just keep repeating the same thing over and over again while completely ignoring the facts against your case and offering none of your own. It sounds familiar...."HOPE & CHANGE" What kind of change? "The kind of change that comes from hope." Where do we get the hope? "From change." What if gas prices give me no hope? "then you need to change". My taxes are so high now, will you change that? "we can only hope"

Ok. Limbaugh is irrelevant because they closed the “Dittoheads” bar in Tulsa due to lack of interest. This is Oklahoma, we are a tad conservative here, and he can't even get enough support to run a single bar? Limbaugh is irrelevant because he does exactly what you say I and politicians do. He ignores the arguments and the evidence used to support a position and bases his arguments on his extreme attitudes about a topic. I am fairly conservative on matters of national defense. I am fairly conservative on fiscal matters. Limbaugh's Arbitron ratings, while very high, are based on what people wrote in a diary. Have you ever been a member of an Arbitron panel? You are given a diary to record your listening habits for each quarter. From these collected logs of a small percentage of listeners they try to gauge the listening habits of all of America. What happens if you fail to record a week or two? You tend to go by habitual listening habits. As in, I normally listen to Dr. Demento from 10pm to 11pm every Thursday night on KJRH, I will write that down... Very inaccurate system in this day of instant information.

Now on to your other questions:

What kind of change? We plan on getting the governments noses the fuck out of our business. Why are there so many people in Jail? Because we keep passing new laws, duh. More laws broken, more people in Jail. Next question.

Where do we get the hope? Basically hope is a chemical reaction in your brain. Next question.

What if gas prices give me no hope? Then sell your stupid SUV, build a few refineries, and pick the low lying fruit that allows for energy conservation now. Stop printing money. Build a garden in your back yard and grow some stinking vegetables. And keep your hands off the babysitter dude, your wife is watching. Next Question.

My taxes are so high now, will you change that? Legalize drugs. Offer tax incentives for saving money. Overhaul Social Security, although my ideas here will be hugely unpopular with the older generation. And cut out two thirds of our foreign bases from the military. 54% of the federal budget is being spent on Past and present military expenditures. Would you like a 26% tax reduction? Cut out half the military. It is not really that simple, but you get the idea.

Next?
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hey Hog, I run my own business.  If I have a job opening and I interview three candidates.  One of them is white, one of them is black, and one is mexican.  They are all basically equally qualified, and any one of them would be a great fit for my organization.  Because they are all so equal, I decide to offer the job to the white candidate because of his color.  Am I a racist for this act?  It will be tempting, but try not to dodge the question.

Others might disagree (you included), but in my own humble opinion, no. Now, if you had said that the black and the mexican were MORE qualified than that white yet you gave the job to the white person, then I would say it was racist.
This of course is all assuming that you are in fact white. I mean cause if you were black and you did that you would be an Uncle Tom wouldn't you?

Seriously though, that is my take on it. Feel free to disagree.

If that's how you feel than at least your argument is consistent hoosier. I would like to comment on this though.

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This of course is all assuming that you are in fact white. I mean cause if you were black and you did that you would be an Uncle Tom wouldn't you?


I'm not sure if you were joking here or not. If you weren't joking, then tell me how my color would have made a difference in your judgement of this situation? Racism doesn't have to mean that you favor your race. If I, being white, choose a black person because of his race, that is as much racist as choosing a white person because of his race isn't it?

Actually I was joking on that part. Sorry, I am still not used to the smilies.
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Now on to your other questions:

What kind of change? We plan on getting the governments noses the fuck out of our business. Why are there so many people in Jail? Because we keep passing new laws, duh. More laws broken, more people in Jail. Next question.

Where do we get the hope? Basically hope is a chemical reaction in your brain. Next question.

What if gas prices give me no hope? Then sell your stupid SUV, build a few refineries, and pick the low lying fruit that allows for energy conservation now. Stop printing money. Build a garden in your back yard and grow some stinking vegetables. And keep your hands off the babysitter dude, your wife is watching. Next Question.

My taxes are so high now, will you change that? Legalize drugs. Offer tax incentives for saving money. Overhaul Social Security, although my ideas here will be hugely unpopular with the older generation. And cut out two thirds of our foreign bases from the military. 54% of the federal budget is being spent on Past and present military expenditures. Would you like a 26% tax reduction? Cut out half the military. It is not really that simple, but you get the idea.

Next?

Great answers Eel. I'm not sure if I agree that we should legalize all drugs, but everything else sounds good to me. I didn't know you were such a conservative....who will you are are you supporting for the presidency?
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"I guarantee you African-American turnout, if I'm the nominee, goes up 30 percent around the country, minimum," Obama said

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2007...476719153_x.htm

In North Carolina, more than 45,000 black people signed up to vote in the first three months of 2008, compared with just over 11,000 in the first three months of 2004. There was also a fourfold rise in black voter registrations in Alabama, while Louisiana and Tennessee saw increases of 64 and 17 percent

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Care to take that back?

No, because at that time I worked in warehouse with about 12 black people. Out of that 12 around 8 or 9 voted for Kerry, and if I remember correctly, only one of those had ever voted in a Presidential election.

Also, you are not being fair with your quotes. The rest of that quote said "Were they there in as large numbers as they are and will be for Obama in the fall? Probably not, but unlike you I don't think that makes them racist."
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Great answers Eel. I'm not sure if I agree that we should legalize all drugs, but everything else sounds good to me. I didn't know you were such a conservative....who will you are are you supporting for the presidency?



I actually thinking of not voting, but I will probably vote for Ron Paul as a protest vote. I am disgusted with my choices. Oklahoma will go McCain, so any vote other than for McCain will be wasted.
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Now on to your other questions:

What kind of change? We plan on getting the governments noses the fuck out of our business.  Why are there so many people in Jail?  Because we keep passing new laws, duh.  More laws broken, more people in Jail.  Next question.

Where do we get the hope?   Basically hope is a chemical reaction in your brain.  Next question.

What if gas prices give me no hope? Then sell your stupid SUV, build a few refineries, and pick the low lying fruit that allows for energy conservation now.  Stop printing money.  Build a garden in your back yard and grow some stinking vegetables.  And keep your hands off the babysitter dude, your wife is watching.  Next Question.

My taxes are so high now, will you change that?  Legalize drugs.  Offer tax incentives for saving money.  Overhaul Social Security, although my ideas here will be hugely unpopular with the older generation.  And cut out two thirds of our foreign bases from the military.  54% of the federal budget is being spent on Past and present military expenditures.  Would you like a 26% tax reduction?  Cut out half the military.  It is not really that simple, but you get the idea. 

Next?

Great answers Eel. I'm not sure if I agree that we should legalize all drugs, but everything else sounds good to me. I didn't know you were such a conservative....who will you are are you supporting for the presidency?

I also agree with Eel on most of these points.

I think much of our crime problem is a direct result of the breakdown of the American family, which has been accelerated by the left's policies, but that is for a future thread..

I'm against the legalization of drugs, because some of them are so addictive, e.g. meth and crack, that we would end up with many more addicts, which would be huge burden to society. I could possibly get behind some government run drug program where it's closely regulated, and we keep them out of the hands of kids. And people who become addicted would be forced to go through rehab, or they would be cutoff from all government aid.
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that is a stupid poll.

Are women more sexist than men?

Is crackers and rednecks more racist than colored folk?

I'm sick of the racism and sexism discussion.  Let's talk about the issues that we need to get this country back on the right track. :soap:

NLA, I haven't seen you list any issues that make Obama the best candidate. He is black, which got him an amazing 92% of the NC black vote. 40% of white men voted for Obama, so I think we can finally stop talking about whites being racist, at least compared to blacks.

NLA, I've asked you to list some of the issues that make you an Obama supporter, and all I've heard is crickets.
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that is a stupid poll.

Are women more sexist than men?

Is crackers and rednecks more racist than colored folk?

I'm sick of the racism and sexism discussion.  Let's talk about the issues that we need to get this country back on the right track. :soap:

NLA, I haven't seen you list any issues that make Obama the best candidate. He is black, which got him an amazing 92% of the NC black vote. 40% of white men voted for Obama, so I think we can finally stop talking about whites being racist, at least compared to blacks.

NLA, I've asked you to list some of the issues that make you an Obama supporter, and all I've heard is crickets.

Actually, Lars, that's just the echoes of the ones in your head. :lol:
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that is a stupid poll.

Are women more sexist than men?

Is crackers and rednecks more racist than colored folk?

I'm sick of the racism and sexism discussion.  Let's talk about the issues that we need to get this country back on the right track. :soap:

NLA, I haven't seen you list any issues that make Obama the best candidate. He is black, which got him an amazing 92% of the NC black vote. 40% of white men voted for Obama, so I think we can finally stop talking about whites being racist, at least compared to blacks.

NLA, I've asked you to list some of the issues that make you an Obama supporter, and all I've heard is crickets.

Actually, Lars, that's just the echoes of the ones in your head. :lol:

I know this is difficult for NLA. After living in Northern Calif for ten years, I understand how biased the media is, and how most people fall behind the liberal position. It's the easy, no-brainer way to approach politics there.
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