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First Time Crean Beats Painter; WHat season?
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just a few years ago turdue was 16-40 and now they are talking national titles.
Just goes to show what a meteoric rise Purdue bball has seen, while IU's program has fallen faster than a depleted uranium balloon. If the two programs were reversed, most of the IU homers posting here would have voted "Never." This poll is just ANOTHER example of how Purdue fans are some of the smartest and most objective around.
yep 25-8 and 14-4 is not acceptable at IU but the similar record is cause for circle jerking at Turdue. again, shows the HUGE difference between the programs
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No, it shows how one team overachieved and how one team underachieved. If in a few years Purdue goes 25-8 and 14-4 and loses in the first round of the tournament, there will be people all around West Lafayette pissed off.
DC,
Very true look at how i and others feel about Tiller. He turned the program around no doubt about that. In 1996 a 7-5 season would have been cheered in 2007 a 7-5 season found him having one season left to coach.
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just a few years ago turdue was 16-40 and now they are talking national titles.
Just goes to show what a meteoric rise Purdue bball has seen, while IU's program has fallen faster than a depleted uranium balloon. If the two programs were reversed, most of the IU homers posting here would have voted "Never." This poll is just ANOTHER example of how Purdue fans are some of the smartest and most objective around.
yep 25-8 and 14-4 is not acceptable at IU but the similar record is cause for circle jerking at Turdue. again, shows the HUGE difference between the programs
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No, it shows how one team overachieved and how one team underachieved. If in a few years Purdue goes 25-8 and 14-4 and loses in the first round of the tournament, there will be people all around West Lafayette pissed off.
with Turdue's horrid recruiting pipeline, 25 wins in a few years will be a pipedream
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May 23 2008, 11:03 AM
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Much as I hate to say it, IU is tough to beat in Assembly Hall. I do not see Crean winning in Mackey for quite some time, but rivalries are odd things. I am going to have to go with '09-'10.
Two reasons I don't think we lose in Bloomington that season: 1) That will be our best team ever. 2) IU will still be young and developing. I think IU starts to turn the corner late that season, but won't fully make the transition until the following season (like Painter's teams of the last two years).
DC,
Wow Once again i agree IU will have a shot in Ass. Hall in 2010. Purdue was horrible in 2005 and took IU to overtime if Carl hits a fucking FT we win and that team was horrible. Been a better team on the road in this series in no way guarantees a win.
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May 23 2008, 11:06 AM
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just a few years ago turdue was 16-40 and now they are talking national titles.
Just goes to show what a meteoric rise Purdue bball has seen, while IU's program has fallen faster than a depleted uranium balloon. If the two programs were reversed, most of the IU homers posting here would have voted "Never." This poll is just ANOTHER example of how Purdue fans are some of the smartest and most objective around.
yep 25-8 and 14-4 is not acceptable at IU but the similar record is cause for circle jerking at Turdue. again, shows the HUGE difference between the programs
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No, it shows how one team overachieved and how one team underachieved. If in a few years Purdue goes 25-8 and 14-4 and loses in the first round of the tournament, there will be people all around West Lafayette pissed off.
with Turdue's horrid recruiting pipeline, 25 wins in a few years will be a pipedream
And Crean is just setting the world on fire with his recruiting. A bunch of three stars...... Oh wait, thats exactly what Purdue has also. Interesting how that works.....
You need to go back into your hole in Ft. Wayne.
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May 23 2008, 11:36 AM
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just a few years ago turdue was 16-40 and now they are talking national titles.
Just goes to show what a meteoric rise Purdue bball has seen, while IU's program has fallen faster than a depleted uranium balloon. If the two programs were reversed, most of the IU homers posting here would have voted "Never." This poll is just ANOTHER example of how Purdue fans are some of the smartest and most objective around.
yep 25-8 and 14-4 is not acceptable at IU but the similar record is cause for circle jerking at Turdue. again, shows the HUGE difference between the programs
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No, it shows how one team overachieved and how one team underachieved. If in a few years Purdue goes 25-8 and 14-4 and loses in the first round of the tournament, there will be people all around West Lafayette pissed off.
with Turdue's horrid recruiting pipeline, 25 wins in a few years will be a pipedream
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May 23 2008, 11:37 AM
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:rofl: dc, I should have stuck up for you the other day on the IU board, but it appeared that they just needed to let off some steam, and you were their designated whipping boy. Glad to see you still have the right stuff.
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Its all good. I don't quite know what it was all about, but it was what it was. I'm not going to get back into it because it was pretty much pointless to start out with. They have their moral "victory" of "putting me in my place".
Way to sacrifice, DC. Hopefully you can continue to eat that "loss" as it will be all IU fans will have to claim as a victory for quite a while. We all acknowledge and appreciate you taking that hit for the team, way to go!
Yeah, they aren't going to win many games the next few seasons. It will be interesting to see if they still enjoy those guys who "just want to wear that Indiana on the front of their chests" when they are getting beat night in and night out. Its tough being a fan when you know going into every game your team is probably going to lose (us Purdue fans know, the last year of Keady and first year of Painter were awful). Crean has his work cut out for him. He has done about as good of a job as you could ask for so far, but will that translate into the type of success that the fans expect? This talk of top half of the Big Ten and then contending within a few years, is just flat out ridiculous. The teams the next couple of years will be as bad or worse than some Northwestern teams of past years.
What is flat out ridiculous about us contending in a few years? I expect in 3 years for us to have a pretty damn solid squad, what is so unreasonable about that?
That team in year 3 will not be as good as you think, especially if Crawford isn't around.
I don't think we will light up the world, but I think we will contend in the Big10. Our recruiting class this year is 3rd I believe according to ESPN. Next year's class will be one of the tops in the league and I'm sure we will do fine the years after that. Saying that we won't be able to contend is a biased comment that is false. National championship woud be a pipedream but contending in conference we will.
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And Crean is just setting the world on fire with his recruiting. A bunch of three stars...... Oh wait, thats exactly what Purdue has also. Interesting how that works.....
You need to go back into your hole in Ft. Wayne.
But they are INDIANA three stars, dc. I thought it was funny how the IU homers were having a circle jerk over an ESPN honorable mention recruiting class that places them fourth in the BT. Crean can use the banners to recruit, but more importantly he can promise playing time next season, something Purdue and other top ten programs cannot do.
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May 23 2008, 11:40 AM
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just a few years ago turdue was 16-40 and now they are talking national titles.
Just goes to show what a meteoric rise Purdue bball has seen, while IU's program has fallen faster than a depleted uranium balloon. If the two programs were reversed, most of the IU homers posting here would have voted "Never." This poll is just ANOTHER example of how Purdue fans are some of the smartest and most objective around.
yep 25-8 and 14-4 is not acceptable at IU but the similar record is cause for circle jerking at Turdue. again, shows the HUGE difference between the programs
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No, it shows how one team overachieved and how one team underachieved. If in a few years Purdue goes 25-8 and 14-4 and loses in the first round of the tournament, there will be people all around West Lafayette pissed off.
with Turdue's horrid recruiting pipeline, 25 wins in a few years will be a pipedream
And Crean is just setting the world on fire with his recruiting. A bunch of three stars...... Oh wait, thats exactly what Purdue has also. Interesting how that works..... You need to go back into your hole in Ft. Wayne.
Also this argument makes little sense. When Crean came, the 4 and 5 stars were gone. And he may not of had many big-time recruits at Marquette either, but it's not a power like IU. He came in and in 2 months put us on honorable mention on espn's recruiting classes, while painter had several years to work on his class. Hardly comparable.
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Our recruiting class this year is 3rd I believe according to ESPN.
4th behind OSU, MSU, and Minn.
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:rofl: dc, I should have stuck up for you the other day on the IU board, but it appeared that they just needed to let off some steam, and you were their designated whipping boy. Glad to see you still have the right stuff.
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Its all good. I don't quite know what it was all about, but it was what it was. I'm not going to get back into it because it was pretty much pointless to start out with. They have their moral "victory" of "putting me in my place".
Way to sacrifice, DC. Hopefully you can continue to eat that "loss" as it will be all IU fans will have to claim as a victory for quite a while. We all acknowledge and appreciate you taking that hit for the team, way to go!
Yeah, they aren't going to win many games the next few seasons. It will be interesting to see if they still enjoy those guys who "just want to wear that Indiana on the front of their chests" when they are getting beat night in and night out. Its tough being a fan when you know going into every game your team is probably going to lose (us Purdue fans know, the last year of Keady and first year of Painter were awful). Crean has his work cut out for him. He has done about as good of a job as you could ask for so far, but will that translate into the type of success that the fans expect? This talk of top half of the Big Ten and then contending within a few years, is just flat out ridiculous. The teams the next couple of years will be as bad or worse than some Northwestern teams of past years.
What is flat out ridiculous about us contending in a few years? I expect in 3 years for us to have a pretty damn solid squad, what is so unreasonable about that?
That team in year 3 will not be as good as you think, especially if Crawford isn't around.
I don't think we will light up the world, but I think we will contend in the Big10. Our recruiting class this year is 3rd I believe according to ESPN. Next year's class will be one of the tops in the league and I'm sure we will do fine the years after that. Saying that we won't be able to contend is a biased comment that is false. National championship woud be a pipedream but contending in conference we will.
Fourth actually, if you go by the recent top 25 article. 3. Ohio State 16. MSU 25. Minnesota
Personally, I think the honorable mention was more because Crean's done a good job filling a truly empty roster than from an objective comparison to the other incoming classes. And I'm with DC here, I don't think this class is going to develop into a B10 competing team. There's no leadership or experience at all.
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:rofl: dc, I should have stuck up for you the other day on the IU board, but it appeared that they just needed to let off some steam, and you were their designated whipping boy. Glad to see you still have the right stuff.
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Its all good. I don't quite know what it was all about, but it was what it was. I'm not going to get back into it because it was pretty much pointless to start out with. They have their moral "victory" of "putting me in my place".
Way to sacrifice, DC. Hopefully you can continue to eat that "loss" as it will be all IU fans will have to claim as a victory for quite a while. We all acknowledge and appreciate you taking that hit for the team, way to go!
Yeah, they aren't going to win many games the next few seasons. It will be interesting to see if they still enjoy those guys who "just want to wear that Indiana on the front of their chests" when they are getting beat night in and night out. Its tough being a fan when you know going into every game your team is probably going to lose (us Purdue fans know, the last year of Keady and first year of Painter were awful). Crean has his work cut out for him. He has done about as good of a job as you could ask for so far, but will that translate into the type of success that the fans expect? This talk of top half of the Big Ten and then contending within a few years, is just flat out ridiculous. The teams the next couple of years will be as bad or worse than some Northwestern teams of past years.
What is flat out ridiculous about us contending in a few years? I expect in 3 years for us to have a pretty damn solid squad, what is so unreasonable about that?
That team in year 3 will not be as good as you think, especially if Crawford isn't around.
I don't think we will light up the world, but I think we will contend in the Big10. Our recruiting class this year is 3rd I believe according to ESPN. Next year's class will be one of the tops in the league and I'm sure we will do fine the years after that. Saying that we won't be able to contend is a biased comment that is false. National championship woud be a pipedream but contending in conference we will.
I don't think IU will contend in year 3, thats just a personal opinion. I think they will finish in the top half of the Big Ten, not contend.
What is so biased about not thinking a bunch of 3 star recruits will be able to for a conference title? I was surprised as hell that Purdue, with four 4* recruits and a supporting cast of 3* recruits contended this past year. Thats the exception, not the norm.
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I love how the IU fans keep saying "Crean outrecruited Painter". If anyone noticed, that ESPN article gave big points for quantity over quality. When you have about 10 scholarships to give out in a year, it's pretty easy to make a list like that.
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I love how the IU fans keep saying "Crean outrecruited Painter". If anyone noticed, that ESPN article gave big points for quantity over quality. When you have about 10 scholarships to give out in a year, it's pretty easy to make a list like that.
ESPN is not a good recruiting source. They don't put the resources or effort into scouting and what goes on in recruiting like the Rivals and Scout sites.
Now, Rivals and Scout get it wrong quite a bit, but they are a much better gauge than ESPN.
Our recruiting is fine, it doesn't look great right now (the '09 class) because the guys doing the scouting at Rivals and Scout haven't seen our guys play for the most part. Byrd is the only one on a REALLY good AAU team, so its going to be hard for them to be seen. Part of what got our '07 class so highly ranked is that they played together and won titles which got them more face time. Hopefully, our guys' teams can have some success and let the scouts see them against the big boys.
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“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."
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I would really love to hear any explanation at all to how they expect to win at Mackey next year.
Never did get an explanation for this. Anyone want to try and take a stab?
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I would really love to hear any explanation at all to how they expect to win at Mackey next year.
Never did get an explanation for this. Anyone want to try and take a stab?
I think the easiest explanation is a rare and oft-times fatal case of extreme homertude.
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