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dreachon Aug 23 2008, 01:29 PM Post #16
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What does who's starting at UF this year have to do with who was starting there last year?

Cam, open your eyes. Indiana fans are not the one annointing Jerimy Finch as an NFL caliber player. Everyone else is. That's why he was the #1 rated safety coming out of high school. You don't like it, take it up with Rivals.

When a kid is a true freshman playing for the defending national championship team after switching positions, learining a new playbook, and playing at a new weight, AND that kid was one of the best high school players in the country, it's safe to say he's got aton of potential. What don't you find impressive about what Finch did last year?

And let's be honest. Football is much bigger than basketball. Finch could leave for the NFL in two years and get drafted in the 7th round. He has a much better chance of playing in the NFL then Hummel does in the NBA.

Again, no one is saying Jerimy Finch will leave IU in 2 years for the NFL. What we are saying though is that the kid has go the athletic gifts and football knowledge to get it done. What he chooses to do with his time at IU is up to him, but I'm not sure how you can sit there and say he doesn't at least have a chance.
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What does who's starting at UF this year have to do with who was starting there last year?

Cam, open your eyes. Indiana fans are not the one annointing Jerimy Finch as an NFL caliber player. Everyone else is. That's why he was the #1 rated safety coming out of high school. You don't like it, take it up with Rivals.

When a kid is a true freshman playing for the defending national championship team after switching positions, learining a new playbook, and playing at a new weight, AND that kid was one of the best high school players in the country, it's safe to say he's got aton of potential. What don't you find impressive about what Finch did last year?

And let's be honest. Football is much bigger than basketball. Finch could leave for the NFL in two years and get drafted in the 7th round. He has a much better chance of playing in the NFL then Hummel does in the NBA.

Again, no one is saying Jerimy Finch will leave IU in 2 years for the NFL. What we are saying though is that the kid has go the athletic gifts and football knowledge to get it done. What he chooses to do with his time at IU is up to him, but I'm not sure how you can sit there and say he doesn't at least have a chance.
All I'm saying is wait for the kid to play a snap at safety. He has played 3 games past high school!!!!! And just because Rivals.com says he was the best safety in HS, I'm supposed to all of a sudden believe it to be true. If he was truly the best safety in the country, why would UF move him? Even if they had experience at Safety last season, they have ZERO this year. Why move the best player in the country from that position when he'd be starting there in a year? Maybe, just maybe, he wasn't best fit to be a safety.

The guy has a chance to be a good player, I'd have loved to had him at Purdue, but even mentioning leaving early for the NFL (the only reason a person would do that is if they were a first or second round pick BTW) before they have played a down at his current position is pretty much insane. The Jerimy Finch lovefest is quite funny though, I'm assuming he carries IU to the Rose Bowl this year?
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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dreachon Aug 23 2008, 01:51 PM Post #18
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The reason you move Finch to Linebacker last year is to get the best 11 players on the field. You think they moved him and burned his redshirt because he wasn't cut out for safety?

I'm not sure what part about saying Finch could leave early is insane. We all said the same thing about James Hardy and PRESTO, look how that turned out. Oh but I forgot, you Purdue fans were constantly trying to convince us that both Selwyn Lymon and Dorien Bryant were better than Hardy.

Just because we say he could potentially leave early doesn't mean that is going to happen. I don't understand why you would be so upset by this? Finch may not play out his eligibilty at IU, that gets said about tons of players every year. Why is it that when it gets said about Finch you get your panties in a twist?

Look, if you don't want to listen to me, maybe you'll listen to the Florida fans. Go check out their message boards sometimes and see what they think about Finch.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=168&f=1968&t=2839426

I'll quote one for you.

"He was a good player for the little time that he played. He was recruited as a safety and during the spring it seemed as though we would be stacked at safety...(not true at all now)...so he was switched to WLB and was doing very well. I am not sure if he wasn't happy switching to LB or not. He played well for us and I believe he had some family issues as to why he left, but I am not sure the switch to LB didn't help make up his mind."
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The reason you move Finch to Linebacker last year is to get the best 11 players on the field. You think they moved him and burned his redshirt because he wasn't cut out for safety?

I'm not sure what part about saying Finch could leave early is insane. We all said the same thing about James Hardy and PRESTO, look how that turned out. Oh but I forgot, you Purdue fans were constantly trying to convince us that both Selwyn Lymon and Dorien Bryant were better than Hardy.

Just because we say he could potentially leave early doesn't mean that is going to happen. I don't understand why you would be so upset by this? Finch may not play out his eligibilty at IU, that gets said about tons of players every year. Why is it that when it gets said about Finch you get your panties in a twist?

Look, if you don't want to listen to me, maybe you'll listen to the Florida fans. Go check out their message boards sometimes and see what they think about Finch.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=168&f=1968&t=2839426

I'll quote one for you.

"He was a good player for the little time that he played. He was recruited as a safety and during the spring it seemed as though we would be stacked at safety...(not true at all now)...so he was switched to WLB and was doing very well. I am not sure if he wasn't happy switching to LB or not. He played well for us and I believe he had some family issues as to why he left, but I am not sure the switch to LB didn't help make up his mind."
When did I EVER say Selwyn Lymon or Dorien Bryant were better than James Hardy? A blanket statement about an entire fan base without any proof, wonderful, that proves a lot to me. I never expected Hardy to stay through his eligibility. The kid was out the door his first opportunity, for which I don't blame him in the least.

The best 11 doesn't make any sense, he wasn't a starter. He played sparingly in blowouts, I don't get why you can't see that, but then again, you think a player who has never played a snap at safety in his Division 1 career can be seen as a legitimate early entrant candidate to the NFL, when players like James Laurinitas and Rey Malauga and on and on have not. You do realize that the players that leave early are First/Second Team All Americans right?

I'm not really upset, its just an insane comment to make IMO. Its just funny to see the constant pumping up of unproven players as "early NFL entrants" or "the next JJ Reddick" or "a one and done or two and done" or "the class that leads us to number 6" etc etc. Let these guys actually play a game before you thrust expectations on them. For all you know, he could be playing for Michigan in two years.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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If you think Lauranitis wouldn't have been a potential 1st round pick in last years draft then you know even less about football than I thought.

I like how you never thought that Hardy would use all his eligibility, but because I say it's even possible that Finch goes early I'm insane.

Let me see if I can put htis in a way that doesn't make you bitch and moan like an 11 year old girl.

If Jerimy Finch plays up to his full potential it is possible that he might decide (maybe even incorrectly) to declare for the draft early, especially since he has 2 children and a family to think about.

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If you think Lauranitis wouldn't have been a potential 1st round pick in last years draft then you know even less about football than I thought.

I like how you never thought that Hardy would use all his eligibility, but because I say it's even possible that Finch goes early I'm insane.

Let me see if I can put htis in a way that doesn't make you bitch and moan like an 11 year old girl.

If Jerimy Finch plays up to his full potential it is possible that he might decide (maybe even incorrectly) to declare for the draft early, especially since he has 2 children and a family to think about.

After Hardy played about half way into his second season, I knew he wasn't going to use his eligibility. Thats like 18 games worth of actually proving himself. Before that, I didn't think he'd use up his eligibility for other reasons (which the same could be said about Finch).

Lauranitis would have been a first round pick, but he still didn't go into the draft. I'm just saying, every player that "was good for our team" is not going to be able to enter the draft early. And its IMO a little insane to even consider it when the guy has not proven himself on the football field.

You sound like the one bitching like a little 11 year old girl because I'm doubting that your guys' man crush of a recruit may not be all he is cracked up to be. Did you have an orgasm when you read about this one player becoming eligible?
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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You're the one who jumped all over me for even considering the fact that Finch might leave early for the NFL. People speculate on the NFL potential of kids while they are still in HIGH SCHOOL. But when it involves an IU guy, it's totally asinine. I have completely acknowledged that Finch could be a total fuck up and he may not ever even sniff the nfl, and yet you continue to think it's "insane" to say he also might have the potential to leave after his junior year. Seriously, do you even realize what you are arguing?

Yes Cam, I had a giant monster orgasm when I heard he will be eligible to play this year. I'm surprised you didn't feel it? Shook the ground pretty hard...
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You're the one who jumped all over me for even considering the fact that Finch might leave early for the NFL. People speculate on the NFL potential of kids while they are still in HIGH SCHOOL. But when it involves an IU guy, it's totally asinine. I have completely acknowledged that Finch could be a total fuck up and he may not ever even sniff the nfl, and yet you continue to think it's "insane" to say he also might have the potential to leave after his junior year. Seriously, do you even realize what you are arguing?

Yes Cam, I had a giant monster orgasm when I heard he will be eligible to play this year. I'm surprised you didn't feel it? Shook the ground pretty hard...
I didn't "jump all over you". I just asked if you really thought you could see him in the NFL in 2 years. And yes, I think its insane to think that a player who has never played safety in college would be NFL ready in 2 years time, especially at a lower tier BT football school.

And I would say anybody who projects a HS senior to the NFL is a little off their rocker. The step from HS to College to the NFL is bigger than any of the 3 major sports. It has nothing to do with him being an IU guy, it has everything to do with a kid who has never played a collegiate down at safety being considered a possible early entrant into the NFL draft. I've told people they were insane when talking about Dorien Bryant leaving early for the NFL, and I was as big of a Dorien Bryant fan as you'd find at Purdue.

I thought so on the orgasm, the thread title gave it away. Its pretty impressive you can orgasm while typing in Caps. Kudos.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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I had a giant monster orgasm when I heard he will be eligible to play this year. I'm surprised you didn't feel it? Shook the ground pretty hard...
I felt it.

Mad respect, dreach. :cheers:
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It doesn't matter if he plays at IU.

Joe Flacco - Deleware - 1st round pick
Dominique Rogers-Cromartie - Tennessee State - 1st round pick
Leodis McKelvin - Troy - 1st round pick

Ya know this is just sad. I would have pegged you as a guy that said, "Any player if they put their mind to it and work hard enough has a chance to succeed at the next level." Now if a guy with talent like Finch's is one of those players, who knows what his potential is?
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It doesn't matter if he plays at IU.

Joe Flacco - Deleware - 1st round pick
Dominique Rogers-Cromartie - Tennessee State - 1st round pick
Leodis McKelvin - Troy - 1st round pick

Ya know this is just sad. I would have pegged you as a guy that said, "Any player if they put their mind to it and work hard enough has a chance to succeed at the next level." Now if a guy with talent like Finch's is one of those players, who knows what his potential is?
Flacco- Senior
Cromartie- Senior
McKelvin- Senior

Yes, if a guy works hard, they can make it in the NFL, and I think that Finch could EVENTUALLY make it to the league. But playing at a place at like IU (or Purdue or Northwestern or Iowa), makes it REALLY hard to come out early, especially with the late start that he is getting at safety. There just isn't enough competition on the practice field to make him into a better player like at OSU or UM or his old school or USC, etc.

How do we know what his talent is? He has never played a down at safety in college. Also, unfortunately, not any player can make it to the NFL, it takes a pretty special combo of a lot of things. I'm not saying that he won't play in the NFL, I'm just saying its WAY too early to project him there and especially as an early entrant.

Like I've said this whole thread, he is a good prospect, who I'd love to have at Purdue. He will be starting and helping at IU by game 3 (possibly earlier), but NFL talk is so early. I just get fed up with constant pumping of unproven players, especially to the level some of it gets to.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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