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So can Painter use that as his excuse for why he chokes against good teams and all the other QB's that perform poor against top competition. I am not saying IU's line is good or that Lewis should get all the blame for not performing well against those teams but you of all people are one to just throw around excuses.
Sure our offensive lines aren't great, but let's face it, it's not like either of our defenses have been sparkling either. It takes both sides to win tough football games. Kellen has performed well and won some big games, but like anyone else who plays a sport I'm sure he will look to improve this season and beyond.
What big games has he won?
His first game ever is one. Comes into the game as a freshman on the road, down by a lot (somewhere around 20?) and having never played a single snap with the first team offense. Gets the win.

Huge come from behind victory @Illinois to get IU's first road Big Ten victory in like 5 years.

Beat Iowa when they were ranked (16th I think?)

Beat Purdue last year to send IU to a bowl game for the first time in over a decade.

He's definitely come to play in some tough situations and he's also struggled in some tough situations. Completely typical of a young QB. And again, I keep saying this, last year was his first full year as the starter. Pretty amazing to think what he's been able to accomplish in such a short time at IU.
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So can Painter use that as his excuse for why he chokes against good teams and all the other QB's that perform poor against top competition. I am not saying IU's line is good or that Lewis should get all the blame for not performing well against those teams but you of all people are one to just throw around excuses.
Sure our offensive lines aren't great, but let's face it, it's not like either of our defenses have been sparkling either. It takes both sides to win tough football games. Kellen has performed well and won some big games, but like anyone else who plays a sport I'm sure he will look to improve this season and beyond.
What big games has he won?
His first game ever is one. Comes into the game as a freshman on the road, down by a lot (somewhere around 20?) and having never played a single snap with the first team offense. Gets the win.

Huge come from behind victory @Illinois to get IU's first road Big Ten victory in like 5 years.

Beat Iowa when they were ranked (16th I think?)

Beat Purdue last year to send IU to a bowl game for the first time in over a decade.

He's definitely come to play in some tough situations and he's also struggled in some tough situations. Completely typical of a young QB. And again, I keep saying this, last year was his first full year as the starter. Pretty amazing to think what he's been able to accomplish in such a short time at IU.
A win against Ball State, a 2-10 Illinois team, and an Iowa team that finished at 6-7. The Bucket Game was a big game, but not really against a tough defense (ranked in the mid 60s last season I believe).

He is a very good QB, there is no denying that. But I wouldn't say I'm amazed at what he has done at IU.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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Purtting their final records down doesn't necessarily mean how big of a game it was at the time, which i'm sure you know.


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So can Painter use that as his excuse for why he chokes against good teams and all the other QB's that perform poor against top competition. I am not saying IU's line is good or that Lewis should get all the blame for not performing well against those teams but you of all people are one to just throw around excuses.
Sure our offensive lines aren't great, but let's face it, it's not like either of our defenses have been sparkling either. It takes both sides to win tough football games. Kellen has performed well and won some big games, but like anyone else who plays a sport I'm sure he will look to improve this season and beyond.
What big games has he won?
His first game ever is one. Comes into the game as a freshman on the road, down by a lot (somewhere around 20?) and having never played a single snap with the first team offense. Gets the win.

Huge come from behind victory @Illinois to get IU's first road Big Ten victory in like 5 years.

Beat Iowa when they were ranked (16th I think?)

Beat Purdue last year to send IU to a bowl game for the first time in over a decade.

He's definitely come to play in some tough situations and he's also struggled in some tough situations. Completely typical of a young QB. And again, I keep saying this, last year was his first full year as the starter. Pretty amazing to think what he's been able to accomplish in such a short time at IU.
A win against Ball State, a 2-10 Illinois team, and an Iowa team that finished at 6-7. The Bucket Game was a big game, but not really against a tough defense (ranked in the mid 60s last season I believe).

He is a very good QB, there is no denying that. But I wouldn't say I'm amazed at what he has done at IU.
He is a very good QB, there is no denying that. But I wouldn't say I'm amazed at what he has done at IU.

Are you insane????? :blink:
I'm definitely amazed at what he's done at "IU " ( Key Word).
IU isn't exactly known for recruiting high profile QBs, so in that sense he is a phenomenal QB at IU.
As one other poster said, he'll be playing in the NFL after college.
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So can Painter use that as his excuse for why he chokes against good teams and all the other QB's that perform poor against top competition. I am not saying IU's line is good or that Lewis should get all the blame for not performing well against those teams but you of all people are one to just throw around excuses.
Sure our offensive lines aren't great, but let's face it, it's not like either of our defenses have been sparkling either. It takes both sides to win tough football games. Kellen has performed well and won some big games, but like anyone else who plays a sport I'm sure he will look to improve this season and beyond.
What big games has he won?
His first game ever is one. Comes into the game as a freshman on the road, down by a lot (somewhere around 20?) and having never played a single snap with the first team offense. Gets the win.

Huge come from behind victory @Illinois to get IU's first road Big Ten victory in like 5 years.

Beat Iowa when they were ranked (16th I think?)

Beat Purdue last year to send IU to a bowl game for the first time in over a decade.

He's definitely come to play in some tough situations and he's also struggled in some tough situations. Completely typical of a young QB. And again, I keep saying this, last year was his first full year as the starter. Pretty amazing to think what he's been able to accomplish in such a short time at IU.
A win against Ball State, a 2-10 Illinois team, and an Iowa team that finished at 6-7. The Bucket Game was a big game, but not really against a tough defense (ranked in the mid 60s last season I believe).

He is a very good QB, there is no denying that. But I wouldn't say I'm amazed at what he has done at IU.
Simply stating the teams he played "weren't very good" is taking the games completely out of context. It'd be like if the Cubs won the WS and people said, "Well everyone else sucked this year".

IU hadn't won a road game in forever. AT Illinois or anywhere else. They go on the road and they lay an egg. Their at Illinois and they are getting absolutely pummeled. Lewis, a freshman QB who has played in about 3 games to this point leads a huge comeback for the win. He helped do it during a time when everyone KNEW we would choke on the road. The players knew they sucked on the road. The fans knew it. The coaches knew it. Illinois knew it. And we were definitely living down to those expectations. For Kellen Lewis to help get the team back together and get the to believe they could actually win the game is a minor miracle in itself, let alone actually winning it. The fact that Illinois was 2-10 that year means next to nothing. The fact that Kellen Lewis performed under intense pressure and did what no other QB was able to do in many years means a whole lot.

The same could be said for any of those game. The Ball State game was unbelievable. Our top 2 QBs go down with injuries (including the QB who was now our record holder for TD passes in a season). And we're getting absolutely destroyed in a completely packed Ball State stadium. We bring some freshman QB who no one had ever heard of, who had never taken a snap from the 1st string center or thrown a pass to the 1st team WRs. And he goes for 316 yards, 2tds and 0 ints. One mistake. That's all it would have taken. One mistake by a comepletly green freshman QB and we probably lose that game. Was it "just" Ball State? Yeah, but they were playing their asses off and Lewis single-handedly brought us back to win in a game we had no business winning.

Iowa was ranked 15th in the country and they were 5-1 with their inly loss coming to #1 OSU at the time of our game. I think after our game they had an emotional letdown because their Rose Bowl hopes were dashed and they never got their act back together. They also beat Purdue that year 47-17 when PU was a darkhorse for the Rose Bowl. So den't tell me they weren't good. First win for IU over a top 15 opponent in who-in-the-hell knows how long. Probably more than a decade.

And then the Purdue game last year. Can you have possibly imagined the amount of pressure on Lewis? We need 1 more win for our first bowl in 13 years. It's our rivalry game. We haven't beaten them in years. The entire season has been dedicated to our lost coach. His wife is on the sidelines. The stadium is absolutely packed. The fact that Purdue wasn't a "really good team" is meaningless. They were a bowl worthy and bowl winning team, no? There are A LOT of players that would choke in that kind of situation even if they were playing a pee wee team. Lewis didn't choke. He came to play and yet again, he got it done when no other player had.

He's won some big games as a very young QB. I may not be "amazed" by him, but I'm certainly more than a little impressed. He's now IU's all time leader in TD passes. He'll get better this year, and he'll get even better next year and I think he'll have a ligitimate shot to beat the elites of the Big Ten next year.
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Who you play means absolutely everything in college football. Purdue won 8 games in 2006, yet they were not very good. I don't care what the situation, beating bad or average teams, which is the case in every game you pointed out, does not really blow me away.

Like I've said over and over, Lewis is a very good QB, possibly the best in the conference, but I wouldn't say he has really only won one "big game", and that was last year's Bucket Game.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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Who you play means absolutely everything in college football. Purdue won 8 games in 2006, yet they were not very good. I don't care what the situation, beating bad or average teams, which is the case in every game you pointed out, does not really blow me away.

Like I've said over and over, Lewis is a very good QB, possibly the best in the conference, but I wouldn't say he has really only won one "big game", and that was last year's Bucket Game.
give it up guys - according to Paintchips Kid, the only big win Lewis could ever possibly get to qualify under his criteria would be the BCS title game.

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Who you play means absolutely everything in college football. Purdue won 8 games in 2006, yet they were not very good. I don't care what the situation, beating bad or average teams, which is the case in every game you pointed out, does not really blow me away.

Like I've said over and over, Lewis is a very good QB, possibly the best in the conference, but I wouldn't say he has really only won one "big game", and that was last year's Bucket Game.
Cam, I think you simply have either a misconception or lack of respect for how difficult it is for a freshman, especially a QB to be successful in college football. Lewis went from scout team to started in the span of 5 snaps. He probably didn't even know all the plays during that Ball State game. Blake Powers, who was IU's all time leader in TDs thrown in a season, never started another game because of Lewis's performance that day. Trust me, it was a big game.

I'll also echo Anarchy's statement. We are talking about IU here, the worst program in the history of the Big Ten. Lewis isn't just bucking trends, he's breaking curses.
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Who you play means absolutely everything in college football. Purdue won 8 games in 2006, yet they were not very good. I don't care what the situation, beating bad or average teams, which is the case in every game you pointed out, does not really blow me away.

Like I've said over and over, Lewis is a very good QB, possibly the best in the conference, but I wouldn't say he has really only won one "big game", and that was last year's Bucket Game.
give it up guys - according to Paintchips Kid, the only big win Lewis could ever possibly get to qualify under his criteria would be the BCS title game.

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Well, beating a team with a winning record is usually a good place to start with a big win. Of the games mentioned, the Purdue game is the only one that would count.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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This thread is out of control.
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Who you play means absolutely everything in college football. Purdue won 8 games in 2006, yet they were not very good. I don't care what the situation, beating bad or average teams, which is the case in every game you pointed out, does not really blow me away.

Like I've said over and over, Lewis is a very good QB, possibly the best in the conference, but I wouldn't say he has really only won one "big game", and that was last year's Bucket Game.
Cam, I think you simply have either a misconception or lack of respect for how difficult it is for a freshman, especially a QB to be successful in college football. Lewis went from scout team to started in the span of 5 snaps. He probably didn't even know all the plays during that Ball State game. Blake Powers, who was IU's all time leader in TDs thrown in a season, never started another game because of Lewis's performance that day. Trust me, it was a big game.

I'll also echo Anarchy's statement. We are talking about IU here, the worst program in the history of the Big Ten. Lewis isn't just bucking trends, he's breaking curses.
I completely understand how hard it is for a freshman QB. Painter started the last 5 games of 2005 as a freshman. We got pounded the first two games, and won the last 3.

But you know why we won the last 3 and not the first 2? Because in the first two we played Wisconsin and Penn State, good teams with talent, and then the last 3 we played 5-6 MSU, 2-9 Illinois, and 4-7 Indiana. I don't think Painter went from horrible to very good in a few weeks span. It was the competition.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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Haha, i was thinking the same thing. After reading dreach's game breakdowns, I'm not sure how you couldn't say they weren't big wins. But, like most of you, that's pretty much what I've come to expect. I love it when someone starts to dispute things with dreach though. I need that emoticon jazen had that one time of the eating popcorn!!!
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Who you play means absolutely everything in college football. Purdue won 8 games in 2006, yet they were not very good. I don't care what the situation, beating bad or average teams, which is the case in every game you pointed out, does not really blow me away.

Like I've said over and over, Lewis is a very good QB, possibly the best in the conference, but I wouldn't say he has really only won one "big game", and that was last year's Bucket Game.
Cam, I think you simply have either a misconception or lack of respect for how difficult it is for a freshman, especially a QB to be successful in college football. Lewis went from scout team to started in the span of 5 snaps. He probably didn't even know all the plays during that Ball State game. Blake Powers, who was IU's all time leader in TDs thrown in a season, never started another game because of Lewis's performance that day. Trust me, it was a big game.

I'll also echo Anarchy's statement. We are talking about IU here, the worst program in the history of the Big Ten. Lewis isn't just bucking trends, he's breaking curses.
Paint Chips is not only bitter but he's also a veiled racist. He's full of rage because an african american is actually far better and more successful than his beloved corn fed cracker taking snaps at CCUNt.
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Paint Chips is not only bitter but he's also a veiled racist. He's full of rage because an african american is actually far better and more successful than his beloved corn fed cracker taking snaps at CCUNt.
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“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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