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Old_School Sep 22 2008, 12:26 AM Post #1
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I'm surprised there's been no talk of the Indiana gubernatorial race on this board! The three candidates are, of course, the incumbent, Mitch Daniels (R), former congresswoman Jill Long-Thompson (D) and Andy Horning (L).

Who are you guys supporting? Did any of you watch the first debate, which was held less than a week ago? If not, I urge you to do so. My guy, Horning (I'm so predictable), had an absolutely fantastic showing. I think the other two looked good as well, with no clear winner.

Check out the debate when you get some time. http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/includes/templates/library/flash_popup.php?pID=281110-1&clipStart=&clipStop=
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I'm surprised there's been no talk of the Indiana gubernatorial race on this board! The three candidates are, of course, the incumbent, Mitch Daniels (R), former congresswoman Jill Long-Thompson (D) and Andy Horning (L).

Who are you guys supporting? Did any of you watch the first debate, which was held less than a week ago? If not, I urge you to do so. My guy, Horning (I'm so predictable), had an absolutely fantastic showing. I think the other two looked good as well, with no clear winner.

Check out the debate when you get some time. http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/includes/templates/library/flash_popup.php?pID=281110-1&clipStart=&clipStop=
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I am with The (L) in this race. I cannot stand Mitch.
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I've got tickets to see the debate tomorrow night. I didn't get a chance to watch the first debate, and I really haven't paid that close of attention to the race so far.
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i hate mitch too, but he'll win because of his brilliant advertising and campaigning. whoever is in charge of his campaign is an absolute genius..
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My Man Mitch!
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Why hate Mitch so much??? Property and excise tax are both down with him in office.......

I guess people that hate Mitch drive shit cars and own no property? Whats my choice, vote for a woman who think the key to a higher graduation rate is to add a year to high school??? 5 years of high school will solve the problem??? That has got to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard...........hopefully she plans on bringing more to the table thatn that! I guess Mitch having Indiana as one of only a few states who actually have a surplus....that must be a reason to hate Mitch??
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Since Btown hates him, and BigBen and Coltfan like him, I have a good idea which way I would vote. :D
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Since Btown hates him, and BigBen and Coltfan like him, I have a good idea which way I would vote. :D
Lars,

You would be wrong. I agree with Btown on this one anyone but Mitch. Mitch is even a McCain supporter and I still dislike him. I have met him he is an ass.
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Since Btown hates him, and BigBen and Coltfan like him, I have a good idea which way I would vote. :D
Lars,

You would be wrong. I agree with Btown on this one anyone but Mitch. Mitch is even a McCain supporter and I still dislike him. I have met him he is an ass.
So being an "ass" makes him a bad governor? Give a better excuse than that! Indiana is in as good of shape as it has been in a long time and you want to vote Mitch out because he is an "ass"????? That makes no fucking sense! Unless I have to work in a cubicle right next to the mother fucker, I could give a fuck less if he is an ass! If my property tax and excise tax stays low........I LOVE the son of a bitch!
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I'm surprised there's been no talk of the Indiana gubernatorial race on this board! The three candidates are, of course, the incumbent, Mitch Daniels (R), former congresswoman Jill Long-Thompson (D) and Andy Horning (L).

Who are you guys supporting? Did any of you watch the first debate, which was held less than a week ago? If not, I urge you to do so. My guy, Horning (I'm so predictable), had an absolutely fantastic showing. I think the other two looked good as well, with no clear winner.

Check out the debate when you get some time. http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/includes/templates/library/flash_popup.php?pID=281110-1&clipStart=&clipStop=
Old School,

I am with The (L) in this race. I cannot stand Mitch.
BG, that's great to hear! Please, though, don't just vote for him because you dislike Mitch, vote for him because you know what he's about! http://www.horningforgovernor.com/
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I've got tickets to see the debate tomorrow night. I didn't get a chance to watch the first debate, and I really haven't paid that close of attention to the race so far.
That's awesome man, I'm envious of you.
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I've got tickets to see the debate tomorrow night. I didn't get a chance to watch the first debate, and I really haven't paid that close of attention to the race so far.
That's awesome man, I'm envious of you.
Somehow I ended up with 6 tickets, so my fiance and I along with a few of my relatives that follow politics are going. I just wish I followed this race closer, so I could ask some pertinent questions instead of just listening.
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Why hate Mitch so much??? Property and excise tax are both down with him in office.......

I guess people that hate Mitch drive shit cars and own no property? Whats my choice, vote for a woman who think the key to a higher graduation rate is to add a year to high school??? 5 years of high school will solve the problem??? That has got to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard...........hopefully she plans on bringing more to the table thatn that! I guess Mitch having Indiana as one of only a few states who actually have a surplus....that must be a reason to hate Mitch??
ColtFan, you have another choice besides Long-Thompson man. Don't be put off by the (L) after Horning's name, check him out. You think Mitch lowered the property tax rate? Psh, that's nothin' compared to what Mr. Horning has in mind.

Here's where I go into shill mode. Please take a second to read the guy's stances, you may just like what you see.


Return to Law, Return to Sanity

Governed Government!

“Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master.” This quote is usually (but not always) attributed to George Washington. I’ve never been able to verify that he actually said it, but the words are true.

Government is, at best, a protection racket. But government is always a violent force; the threat of its use is rarely even veiled. The Land of the Free has the world’s highest percentage of citizens in prison. And our ever-more heavily-armed and flak-jacketed policemen are put in ever-more adversarial roles against citizens. If somebody kicks in your door and steals things, police may no longer investigate. But they may Taser you to death if you’re not cooperative or in any way resist arrest for a minor nuisance law violation. This is no judgment against policemen, most of whom are straight arrows. But I do state fact.

Some would have you think that “government should be run like a business.”

Do you believe this?

Imagine if Microsoft had armed forces and was authorized to use them. Imagine if Starbucks had even one Stealth Bomber, and was allowed to use it however it sees fit. Imagine that snooty waiter with a Taser; or even your own employer with spies and prisons and manacles.

This is what I think of when I hear a politician say “…we need to run government like a business!”

I intend to run government as if it is a dangerous threat; proven by history to be the agent of oppression, slavery, genocide and war. Government has never been our friend; it has always been us versus them in the most Machiavellian fashion. This nation really had proved that people thrive when you keep government on a leash to any degree. That’s why we have constitutions. I’m not the first to say so:

"Aware of the tendency of power to degenerate into abuse, the worthies of our country have secured its independence by the establishment of a Constitution and form of government for our nation, calculated to prevent as well as to correct abuse." --Thomas Jefferson to Washington Tammany Society, 1809.

“Our Constitution has accordingly fixed the limits to which, and no further, our confidence may go... In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." --Thomas Jefferson: Draft Kentucky Resolutions, 1798.

"(The purpose of a written constitution is) to bind up the several branches of government by certain laws, which, when they transgress, their acts shall become nullities; to render unnecessary an appeal to the people, or in other words a rebellion, on every infraction of their rights, on the peril that their acquiescence shall be construed into an intention to surrender those rights." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XIII, 1782.

Right now, you have no rights at all. You have conditional privileges that will be taken away if the Colts or some other campaign contributor have made a claim on them.

I will not abuse or refuse your rights…I will be the first real, constitutional, legal Governor Indiana has had in a hundred years. I will protect your rights, because that’s the job, and that’s the law.

That’s no business. That’s called Liberty, and I want it back.



Taxation versus Plunder

“…What at first was plunder assumed the softer name of revenue; and the power they originally usurped, they affected to inherit” – Thomas Paine.

I was first publicly called a “tax protester” in 1998, and have not since stopped doing what earned me that moniker. I started advocated eliminating Indiana’s property tax in 1999/2000. I organized a tax policy debate in 2004. I held several press conferences and offered tax reform proposals before leading a tax protest on the Governor’s Mansion lawn on July 4, 2007.

But I’ve never really protested taxation, per se. No, I’ve always protested ungoverned government. I’ve protested unjust, counterproductive, unconstitutional taxation. And I have always held that if you do nothing more than eliminate one kind of tax, or cut just one kind of tax, you’ll find out how bad the other kinds of taxation can be. And I’ve always said, as loud and as often as I can, that you can’t separate taxation from spending; and you can’t separate either taxation or spending from the legal authority to do either. And the authorization for all governments in the USA comes solely from constitutions.

I’ve already written about several breaches of the Indiana Constitution (article starts on page 17) as well as of the federal constitution and Rule of Law in general. And there’s much more that I could write. Citizens should be pretty mad. But who would we get mad at? Over the past several generations our politicians have done what politicians always do, and yet we vote for the same bunch, the same promises, over and over again anyway. We can’t blame the politicians we hired for anything. It’s all on us as citizens; whether we vote, or not. Obviously, there’s no point in calling a foul on six million Hoosiers, so let’s just fix our problems in the correct, proven, and legal way.

The Indiana Constitution is already written, and it’s already the law. People fought and died to protect our constitutions; as long as we dishonor the laws they defended, we dishonor those sacrifices and hurt ourselves to boot.

On my very first day in office I would put the legislature on notice. I’ll make no statement of ideology; just an affirmation of my oath of office to support and enforce the Indiana Constitution:

We must either amend the constitution to legitimize all the unjust, illegal spending, illegal taxing and illegal breach of civil rights, or just stop doing those abusive, destructive things. There is no other option, and I will not offer a long time window in which to comply. As Executive of the Indiana Constitution, I will offer just enough time to comply, but no more. Too much harm has been done, and the damage is ongoing for as long as our government operates in breach of its authority.

And taxing without authority is theft. There is nothing good about that.

We must obey the law as written…and enjoy the freedom and prosperity that results.



Create Jobs?

Let’s show politicians how it’s done!


“A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicity.” – Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address

“Nothing is more illusory than the existence of a national economy and national wealth. …Trade takes place, not between nations, but among men and across national frontiers.” – Faustino Ballvé

“…Society performs for itself almost everything that is ascribed to government.” – Thomas Paine.

We have for years been told that politicians create jobs, and we have, for years, voted as if we believed them. This is embarrassing, really. But if you’re reading this, I bet you already know that politicians do not create jobs; so I’ll not try to summarize the work of Austrian School economists, rail against the Federal Reserve, or describe the simple effectiveness of the free market. And I trust you already know that corporations are not business entities; they are political constructions intended to oppose the liability inherent in a truly free market (you seek incorporated status from government in order to obtain special protection of assets, tax rules, etc.).

So I’ll just say that I intend to get government off the back of real business…just as the Indiana Constitution demands.

I intend to get corporate hands out of the dangerous power of government…just as the Indiana Constitution demands:

Article 11, Section 12. The State shall not be a stockholder in any bank; nor shall the credit of the State ever be given, or loaned, in aid of any person, association or corporation; nor shall the State become a stockholder in any corporation or association. – The Indiana Constitution

The constitutional job of Governor is to enforce (or Execute) the Indiana Constitution, as well as to enforce federalism under the Constitution of the United States. The Governor swears an oath of office to do this. Should I become Governor, I’d be the first in a very long time to actually keep that oath, and make Indiana The Place To Be for the American Dream…just as the Indiana Constitution demands.

"One of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the great struggle for independence." – Charles A. Beard, 1935
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I just took the time to listen to the entire 1st debate online, and I've got to say that I'm leaning considerably towards Andrew Horning.
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I just took the time to listen to the entire 1st debate online, and I've got to say that I'm leaning considerably towards Andrew Horning.
Faithful, I like Horning also, but do you think he has a chance? I don't really have a big problem with Mitch. I wish he would have eliminated property tax, but capping it at 1% was a step in the right direction I guess.
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