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McCain suspending his campaign...; is this a good move?
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Mr Gray Sep 26 2008, 10:31 AM Post #31
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Hog, that is the 2nd time you have made this comment, and I let the 1st one slide in hopes that you would rethink it. 75% of those guys & girls on capital hill don't "know much" about the economy. Most of the are lawyers, but NONE of them are economists, accountants, bankers, financial planners, or any other such occupation that qualifies then as an expert.

I never said the other guys were experts. The point I am trying to make is that this is more of a political stunt than anything. Maybe I was clumsy in trying to make that point. If he was just going to go to Washington to help, then why did he feel the need to announce to the press that he was suspending his campaign in order to go the D.C. to help solve the crises. He could have just went. The press would follow him. The fact that he makes an announcement just shows that it is a ploy, trying to make himself look Presidential. The bill (or whatever you want to call it) is going to come through Dodd's banking and finance commitee. Neither McCain nor Obama will have any had in crafting it. All they will do is go to meetings, listen to what is being said, and at some point announce support or dissent.

The difference here is that it is McCain is trying to fool people into believing he is the main man on this thing.
The fact is, he made the right decision by going to Washington to help with this problem, and that is a "Presidential" move. Why wouldn't his campaign take advantage of the move.....these are the types of things the American people need to know when choosing who to vote for.
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The fact is, he made the right decision by going to Washington to help with this problem
Did he?

This from Politco yesterday at 12.53 PM eastern.

Fundemental agreement reached on bailout.

Then later that afternoon, we have the bipartisan meeting called by Bush at McCain's insistence, and what happens? No deal. What happened to the fundamental agreement?
As I said, McCain may be trying to help. But he is also trying to play politics. And his and Obama's presence by default brought Presedential politics into the debate, which has done nothing but hurt negotiations. How is that Presidential?

Now it should be noted, that I am not a big fan of the bailout. And I am interested in seeing the alternative that the House Repubs claim to have, but that is not what this tread is about. This thread is about the fact that McCain is trying to play politics with this situation, and the same people on here that call anyone who isn't a fan of McCain a blind Obama lover can't see it. Which seems to me to be incredibly ironic.

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The fact is, he made the right decision by going to Washington to help with this problem
Did he?

This from Politco yesterday at 12.53 PM eastern.

Fundemental agreement reached on bailout.

Then later that afternoon, we have the bipartisan meeting called by Bush at McCain's insistence, and what happens? No deal. What happened to the fundamental agreement?
As I said, McCain may be trying to help. But he is also trying to play politics. And his and Obama's presence by default brought Presedential politics into the debate, which has done nothing but hurt negotiations. How is that Presidential?

Now it should be noted, that I am not a big fan of the bailout. And I am interested in seeing the alternative that the House Repubs claim to have, but that is not what this tread is about. This thread is about the fact that McCain is trying to play politics with this situation, and the same people on here that call anyone who isn't a fan of McCain a blind Obama lover can't see it. Which seems to me to be incredibly ironic.

If McCain was against the deal in the form it was presented how is that not doing his job or "playing politics" if he didn't just fall in line and vote in favor of it? If he doesn't like a deal, he has an obligation to say so and do what he can to prevent it IMO. I know you don't like McCain, and I really don't either, but I have no problem with him or any other politican ON EITHER SIDE, doing there job there and working hard to hammer this thing out. None of them should OK a deal that they don't feel is in the best interest of the country. That isn't "playing politics"
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If McCain was against the deal in the form it was presented how is that not doing his job or "playing politics" if he didn't just fall in line and vote in favor of it? If he doesn't like a deal, he has an obligation to say so and do what he can to prevent it IMO. I know you don't like McCain, and I really don't either, but I have no problem with him or any other politican ON EITHER SIDE, doing there job there and working hard to hammer this thing out. None of them should OK a deal that they don't feel is in the best interest of the country. That isn't "playing politics"
But that is the thing. That isn't what he is doing. I sat in a hospital room last night flipping back and forth between the various news channels, and EVERY report I heard said basically all McCain did in the meeting was sit in the background and listen. Bush called the meeting at McCain's request. So you have a meeting that McCain calls by proxy, and he goes in and does nothing. He has came out in support of, or opposition too the plan. How is that helping? How is that Presidential? It isn't as if he is supporting the plan. Or conversly, he didn't come to D.C. with a plan of his own that he thinks is better. He is doind exactly what the cynics (read: non-GOP apologists) said he was trying to do. He is trying to look like a leader, and get a photo-op.
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McCain doesn't know a goddamn thing about economics. This was a purely political stunt.
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McCain doesn't know a goddamn thing about economics. This was a purely political stunt.
If McCain doesn't "know a goddamn thing" about economics, what does this say for the Dems who were against reforming Freddie and Fannie from 2003-2006 when the Repubs were trying to reign them in?

Some of you guys still don't understand how unpleasant things could get for this country if our economy crashes. Ignorance is bliss.
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If McCain was against the deal in the form it was presented how is that not doing his job or "playing politics" if he didn't just fall in line and vote in favor of it? If he doesn't like a deal, he has an obligation to say so and do what he can to prevent it IMO. I know you don't like McCain, and I really don't either, but I have no problem with him or any other politican ON EITHER SIDE, doing there job there and working hard to hammer this thing out. None of them should OK a deal that they don't feel is in the best interest of the country. That isn't "playing politics"
But that is the thing. That isn't what he is doing. I sat in a hospital room last night flipping back and forth between the various news channels, and EVERY report I heard said basically all McCain did in the meeting was sit in the background and listen. Bush called the meeting at McCain's request. So you have a meeting that McCain calls by proxy, and he goes in and does nothing. He has came out in support of, or opposition too the plan. How is that helping? How is that Presidential? It isn't as if he is supporting the plan. Or conversly, he didn't come to D.C. with a plan of his own that he thinks is better. He is doind exactly what the cynics (read: non-GOP apologists) said he was trying to do. He is trying to look like a leader, and get a photo-op.
hog, I have no doubt that there is a high degree of political motivation behind his moves on this issue, but no more than all of the jerkoffs in Washington who will want to take credit for "fixing" a problem that none of them caused *cough cough*. That still doesn't change my assertion that he is doing his job by being there. I also heard that he didn't say very much at all, but listening isn't necessarily a bad thing once in a while is it? I'm sure there were plenty of blowhards spouting off at the mouth and pretending to know things, and I have no problem with those who choose to listen and think about the issue before making a rash decision or just rambling incherantly.

Hog, everything that the majority of these guys do has a personal political motivation, but I still have to contend that those who choose to stay away from this crisis alltogether are not doing any justice to their constituents. What do you think?
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McCain doesn't know a goddamn thing about economics. This was a purely political stunt.
If McCain doesn't "know a goddamn thing" about economics, what does this say for the Dems who were against reforming Freddie and Fannie from 2003-2006 when the Repubs were trying to reign them in?

Some of you guys still don't understand how unpleasant things could get for this country if our economy crashes. Ignorance is bliss.
It says that they don't know jack shit about the economy either?

Some of you guys (Lars) don't understand that a crash is inevitable, and that we may as well go through it now as opposed to later, when it will be 49873598327 times worse.
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McCain doesn't know a goddamn thing about economics. This was a purely political stunt.
If McCain doesn't "know a goddamn thing" about economics, what does this say for the Dems who were against reforming Freddie and Fannie from 2003-2006 when the Repubs were trying to reign them in?

Some of you guys still don't understand how unpleasant things could get for this country if our economy crashes. Ignorance is bliss.
It says that they don't know jack shit about the economy either?

Some of you guys (Lars) don't understand that a crash is inevitable, and that we may as well go through it now as opposed to later, when it will be 49873598327 times worse.
how do you define "crash" old school? I believe that severe turbulance it inevitable, but I also believe that there is still plenty of wealth and demand for products/services in this country which will keep a complete "crash" at bay. As I have said many times on here though, the pendulum swings both ways, and it will with this also....when this "problem" comes full blow, that will present many opportunities for those prepared
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What do you think?
I understand what you are saying, and I agree to a certain point, BUT my point is as it has always been that the "suspension" of his campaign was a pure political move. Now I said earlier that McCain might really be trying to help, but the process probably would have been better served had neither he nor Obama inserted themselves into the situation.
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the process probably would have been better served had neither he nor Obama inserted themselves into the situation.
well, I can't really disagree with that, but the same is probably true for all of the jerkoffs up there. It would be better served if they all stayed home and let Warren Buffet, Jack Welsh and Jim Cramer figure it out.
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