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Government Bailout?; For or against?
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brumdog44 Sep 28 2008, 12:00 AM Post #16
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In order for Paul to sweet talk his way into the presidency, he'd have to talk down to the populous and make promises that he would not be able to keep.

What he promises is less....and what the people want is more.
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In order for Paul to sweet talk his way into the presidency, he'd have to talk down to the populous and make promises that he would not be able to keep.

What he promises is less....and what the people want is more.
you dont fool me brum. YOU ARE A CLOSET PAULITE.
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someday soon we are going to look back and realize we as americans screwed up that we didn't take Dr. Paul more serious because the media wouldn't give him exposure. :banghead: Not saying he is the best man for the job but I do think he is better than what is on either ticket.
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brumdog44 Sep 28 2008, 04:50 PM Post #19
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In order for Paul to sweet talk his way into the presidency, he'd have to talk down to the populous and make promises that he would not be able to keep.

What he promises is less....and what the people want is more.
you dont fool me brum. YOU ARE A CLOSET PAULITE.
Six months ago I didn't get his message...I understand it now.

But I also realize that he simply isn't electable. Take a look at the last outsider who made at least a somewhat serious run at the election....Ross Perot.

Perot actually lead some public opinion polls in early to mid 1992. However, IMO he offered zero reason to get such backing. He saturated the market by buying half hour advertising time where he flipped through USA Today-like charts that were easily consumable by the populous.

When general America says they are fed up with the two party system, they don't respond by backing the Ron Pauls. Instead, they feast on candidates like Jesse Ventura. They don't want someone with substance...they want someone who they can look at in their morning newspaper and laugh. They don't want the Professor when Gilligan is more entertaining.
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In order for Paul to sweet talk his way into the presidency, he'd have to talk down to the populous and make promises that he would not be able to keep.

What he promises is less....and what the people want is more.
you dont fool me brum. YOU ARE A CLOSET PAULITE.
Six months ago I didn't get his message...I understand it now.

But I also realize that he simply isn't electable. Take a look at the last outsider who made at least a somewhat serious run at the election....Ross Perot.

Perot actually lead some public opinion polls in early to mid 1992. However, IMO he offered zero reason to get such backing. He saturated the market by buying half hour advertising time where he flipped through USA Today-like charts that were easily consumable by the populous.

When general America says they are fed up with the two party system, they don't respond by backing the Ron Pauls. Instead, they feast on candidates like Jesse Ventura. They don't want someone with substance...they want someone who they can look at in their morning newspaper and laugh. They don't want the Professor when Gilligan is more entertaining.
Brum,

1992 in my first presidential election i could vote in I voted for Ross and it got us Clinton. Whose adminstration started the practices that got us into this mess.
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yawnzzz Sep 28 2008, 05:24 PM Post #21
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When general America says they are fed up with the two party system, they don't respond by backing the Ron Pauls. Instead, they feast on candidates like Jesse Ventura. They don't want someone with substance...they want someone who they can look at in their morning newspaper and laugh. They don't want the Professor when Gilligan is more entertaining.
That's a very sad statement that has a lot of truth. When America gets fed up with politics as usual, they look to someone completely outside with a personality instead of someone that actually understands the system.

I've been a big fan of Ron Paul for a few years now when I first heard him speak. I look at him now as someone that paved the way for future candidates that could make a difference. There are many young people that have heard Paul's message, which was his original goal. He spoke several times about the fact that his original intent wasn't to be elected because he felt America wasn't ready. His true legacy will be shown in the young people that understand his point of view and can grow into a viable candidate with similar ideas. Hopefully in about a decade these young people that heard his wisdom will be in a position to make a difference.

I fear that it will take my entire lifetime for our government to ever be shaped in the form that Paul sees, so all I can hope for is that change comes in small packages of candidates that might not share his entire ideology but still share enough to perform the slow changes that the average American would be able to accept.
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I would only support the bailout if it included a $17,000 payment to Harrah's in Vegas to cover my last two trips loses...


It is a deal breaker for me if they will not agree to that one simple request.

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Old_School Sep 29 2008, 12:05 AM Post #23
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When general America says they are fed up with the two party system, they don't respond by backing the Ron Pauls. Instead, they feast on candidates like Jesse Ventura. They don't want someone with substance...they want someone who they can look at in their morning newspaper and laugh. They don't want the Professor when Gilligan is more entertaining.
Excellently stated Brum!
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I would only support the bailout if it included a $17,000 payment to Harrah's in Vegas to cover my last two trips loses...


It is a deal breaker for me if they will not agree to that one simple request.

Sounds like you and the government are about equally responsible with your money.
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eelbor Sep 29 2008, 08:36 AM Post #25
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I would only support the bailout if it included a $17,000 payment to Harrah's in Vegas to cover my last two trips loses...


It is a deal breaker for me if they will not agree to that one simple request.

Sounds like you and the government are about equally responsible with your money.
Almost my point exactly. The feds shouldn't bailout a gambler.
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