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| sirbrianwilson | Oct 4 2008, 04:40 PM Post #91 |
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probability doesn't enter the equation unless you're talking about that it's possible. evolution might have fail ten to the tenth to the tenth degree amount of times, but since it happened just once, we're able to sit here and talk about these things. we wouldn't know any difference. br |
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| HoosierLars | Oct 4 2008, 04:58 PM Post #92 |
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But if you shook the box up 100 billion times, who knows. :D |
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| eelbor | Oct 4 2008, 05:11 PM Post #93 |
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That is an over simplification. Yes, every time there is a transfer of energy from one form to another, useful energy is lost, but... that in no way indicates that things within the system cannot in the short term become more complex. If you want an easy example from the real world, there is an easy one. Crystals grow. The medium from which they can grow is substantially less organized than the crystal, yet the crystal grows andl become more complex. The system itself may be losing energy, but that does not mean an individual element within the the system may not gain in complexity at another element's expense. |
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| brumdog44 | Oct 4 2008, 07:10 PM Post #94 |
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On the second day, god put Alaska close to Russia. God was a true American, always looking out for our foreign policies. |
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| yawnzzz | Oct 4 2008, 09:08 PM Post #95 |
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You mean God could create humans, but the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is beyond his scope..... |
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| Mr Gray | Oct 5 2008, 12:55 PM Post #96 |
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you "think in time they'll be able to carry this experiment out to fruition"......haha. Sounds like someone is stretching to avoid the serious problem in his reasoning. They haven't even come close...they have been trying to create spontaneous life for years with nothing but failure. Even "success" at their experiments wouldn't be conclusive because they are still starting with some common elements....who the hell created the elements to begin with? |
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| dreachon | Oct 6 2008, 09:48 AM Post #97 |
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Hey, I don't question that there is a G-d and that he must have created the Universe at one point or another. I do believe in evolution though. I understand the enormous odds against creating life from a bunch of elements. You are right that scientists have been trying for years and they haven't been able to do it. They were also probably trying for years before they even got Amino Acids. These scientists are trying to create life one experiment at a time. My personal belief is at the time life started on this planet, there were literally millions of these "experiments" going on all over the world for literally thousands of years. Only 1 of these situations needed to result in a single cell organism. By that thinking the odds swing in the other direction and I think it almost would have been impossible for life NOT to start. Edited by dreachon, Oct 6 2008, 09:50 AM.
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