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enemydeservesnomercy Oct 2 2008, 09:43 PM Post #16
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I'm with Dreachon here, Biden will clearly be seen as the winner of this debate. But, Palin being able to talk fairly coherently for an extended period of time without slipping up will pay more dividends to the McCain ticket, than Biden's win will do for the Obama ticket.
I agree. Overall, this is likely going to give a boast for McCain.
...the thing is, is that throughout the last few weeks the media has brought her to such a fucking low that anything short of pissing herself and crawling off of the stage is going to be a win for the mccain campaign...so, yes in this sense Biden was the clear winner on the ISSUES...and palin was the clear winner at not making a COMPLETE fool of herself...
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...ohhh, yeah...gotta hand that baby to her...look everybody, she can hold a baby, she's one of us!!!...yeah, vote mccain/palin...
"The possibilities of basketball as seen here were a revelation to me. Basketball may have been invented in Massachusetts, but it was made for Indiana."
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I think the "average" "aw shucks" uneducated American will give Palin the win.

Biden was a dud, and I was not impressed

but, good gawd... I can't imagine hearing this woman's voice for 4 years... and to imagine that she could be our President?!!! Just shoot me now. 1zxgnc
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I'm with Dreachon here, Biden will clearly be seen as the winner of this debate. But, Palin being able to talk fairly coherently for an extended period of time without slipping up will pay more dividends to the McCain ticket, than Biden's win will do for the Obama ticket.
I agree. Overall, this is likely going to give a boast for McCain.
...the thing is, is that throughout the last few weeks the media has brought her to such a fucking low that anything short of pissing herself and crawling off of the stage is going to be a win for the mccain campaign...so, yes in this sense Biden was the clear winner on the ISSUES...and palin was the clear winner at not making a COMPLETE fool of herself...
I agree, I am just trying to be unbiased here. If you want to know my affiliation for this particular election, I will be voting for Obama.

However, truth be told I don't particularly care for either candidate. McCain is to stubborn and clings to dated ideologies and Obama is unprepared and still wet behind the years. Neither is ready to lead this country where it needs to go imo.
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Boiler, you hit the nail on the head. Palin has done very well I think. Anything unlike the Couric interview is very positive for her and McCain. And when they switched to foreign policy it was obvious Biden has more experience.

No gaffes so far, so I'm dissapointed. If that keeps up then consider it a win for the McCain campaign. Their drop in the polls is mostly do to Palin looking like a moron in her interviews. She looks put together now and that may alleviate a lot fo the fears about her.
Dreach,

I agree with you that she didn't fuck up. That was all she had to do. She came across as credible and that is all she had to do. Today is Thursday. The daily polls have a 3 day average so it will Monday before we see the full impact of the debate. Tuesday is Obama Vs. McCain so Palin was like a middle reliever she kept us in the game now it is up to John McCain to bring it home. The same could be said for Biden he didn't give up much and Obama is still alive to close this out. The outcome of the debate is that the top of the ticket will have to win the election and that is the way t should be.

That being said I feel she won the debate.
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I think the "average" "aw shucks" uneducated American will give Palin the win.

Biden was a dud, and I was not impressed

but, good gawd... I can't imagine hearing this woman's voice for 4 years... and to imagine that she could be our President?!!! Just shoot me now. 1zxgnc
Really, Biden a dud? I thought he gave a better than expected performance. He had the right amount of emotion, showed aptitude for thinking on his feet, and looked comfortable and effortless behind the podium. If anything I think he gave the debate of his life.
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After the debate, a staff hand asked Palin is she wanted a drink of water. She replied "yes."

That marked the first question that she actually answered all night long.
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Boiler, you hit the nail on the head. Palin has done very well I think. Anything unlike the Couric interview is very positive for her and McCain. And when they switched to foreign policy it was obvious Biden has more experience.

No gaffes so far, so I'm dissapointed. If that keeps up then consider it a win for the McCain campaign. Their drop in the polls is mostly do to Palin looking like a moron in her interviews. She looks put together now and that may alleviate a lot fo the fears about her.
Dreach,

I agree with you that she didn't fuck up. That was all she had to do. She came across as credible and that is all she had to do. Today is Thursday. The daily polls have a 3 day average so it will Monday before we see the full impact of the debate. Tuesday is Obama Vs. McCain so Palin was like a middle reliever she kept us in the game now it is up to John McCain to bring it home. The same could be said for Biden he didn't give up much and Obama is still alive to close this out. The outcome of the debate is that the top of the ticket will have to win the election and that is the way t should be.

That being said I feel she won the debate.
What basis do you feel that she won on? She was outclassed on the issues imo, she looked credible but far from great.
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I'm with Dreachon here, Biden will clearly be seen as the winner of this debate. But, Palin being able to talk fairly coherently for an extended period of time without slipping up will pay more dividends to the McCain ticket, than Biden's win will do for the Obama ticket.
I agree. Overall, this is likely going to give a boast for McCain.
...the thing is, is that throughout the last few weeks the media has brought her to such a fucking low that anything short of pissing herself and crawling off of the stage is going to be a win for the mccain campaign...so, yes in this sense Biden was the clear winner on the ISSUES...and palin was the clear winner at not making a COMPLETE fool of herself...
I agree, I am just trying to be unbiased here. If you want to know my affiliation for this particular election, I will be voting for Obama.

However, truth be told I don't particularly care for either candidate. McCain is to stubborn and clings to dated ideologies and Obama is unprepared and still wet behind the years. Neither is ready to lead this country where it needs to go imo.
I appreciate your balanced view of this election. :cheers:

I share your concerns about McCain, but will give him my vote as the lessor of two evils. I strongly dislike Obama's progressive class warfare, and don't want to see the government manage our health care system like they managed mortgages.
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She won because she connected to the people. That is what the election is about. G W Bush never had better reason the Gore ( or probably anyone he ever has spoken to) but won the debates. Bill Clinton still couldn't touch G H W Bush on Foreign Policy but he connected and won the debates. Palin connected and forced Biden to defend Obama on the agreeing to meet with leaders when Obama did say that in the U Tube debate and Biden attacked him for it. Biden wanted to create three Iraqs not just go home. Sarah got Biden to defend these issues and the tape will prove her correct.
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Boiler, you hit the nail on the head. Palin has done very well I think. Anything unlike the Couric interview is very positive for her and McCain. And when they switched to foreign policy it was obvious Biden has more experience.

No gaffes so far, so I'm dissapointed. If that keeps up then consider it a win for the McCain campaign. Their drop in the polls is mostly do to Palin looking like a moron in her interviews. She looks put together now and that may alleviate a lot fo the fears about her.
Dreach,

I agree with you that she didn't fuck up. That was all she had to do. She came across as credible and that is all she had to do. Today is Thursday. The daily polls have a 3 day average so it will Monday before we see the full impact of the debate. Tuesday is Obama Vs. McCain so Palin was like a middle reliever she kept us in the game now it is up to John McCain to bring it home. The same could be said for Biden he didn't give up much and Obama is still alive to close this out. The outcome of the debate is that the top of the ticket will have to win the election and that is the way t should be.

That being said I feel she won the debate.
Thats all you want from your vice president and possibly president of the United States to do is not screw up.

What you would like to see from these debates is someone that is ready to lead the country if something should happen to the president. IMO she didnt do that and hasnt done that. So how anyone can say she was successful because she didnt screw up is beond me.
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CBS news poll of uncommitted voters after the debate:

46% said Biden won, 21 % said Palin won, 33% said tie.

of the uncommitted voters, 18% said they were now committed to Obama, 10% to McCain.

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Boiler, you hit the nail on the head. Palin has done very well I think. Anything unlike the Couric interview is very positive for her and McCain. And when they switched to foreign policy it was obvious Biden has more experience.

No gaffes so far, so I'm dissapointed. If that keeps up then consider it a win for the McCain campaign. Their drop in the polls is mostly do to Palin looking like a moron in her interviews. She looks put together now and that may alleviate a lot fo the fears about her.
Dreach,

I agree with you that she didn't fuck up. That was all she had to do. She came across as credible and that is all she had to do. Today is Thursday. The daily polls have a 3 day average so it will Monday before we see the full impact of the debate. Tuesday is Obama Vs. McCain so Palin was like a middle reliever she kept us in the game now it is up to John McCain to bring it home. The same could be said for Biden he didn't give up much and Obama is still alive to close this out. The outcome of the debate is that the top of the ticket will have to win the election and that is the way t should be.

That being said I feel she won the debate.
Thats all you want from your vice president and possibly president of the United States to do is not screw up.

What you would like to see from these debates is someone that is ready to lead the country if something should happen to the president. IMO she didnt do that and hasnt done that. So how anyone can say she was successful because she didnt screw up is beond me.
Vote for McCain -- if he dies, hopefully Palin won't screw up!
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Foxnews online poll:

who won the VP debate?

current results:

Biden 53%, Palin 47%.

Oh, if only McCain knew how to use a computer.
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She won because she connected to the people. That is what the election is about. G W Bush never had better reason the Gore ( or probably anyone he ever has spoken to) but won the debates. Bill Clinton still couldn't touch G H W Bush on Foreign Policy but he connected and won the debates. Palin connected and forced Biden to defend Obama on the agreeing to meet with leaders when Obama did say that in the U Tube debate and Biden attacked him for it. Biden wanted to create three Iraqs not just go home. Sarah got Biden to defend these issues and the tape will prove her correct.


Biden did a pretty good job of connecting with the people himself. He wasn't exactly an emotionless machine up there. He doesn't have that instant charm that Palin has, but he was definitly more personable tonight than I think anyone gave him credit for. People were waiting for him to explode tonight but he showed a great amount of restraint letting Palin's miscues slip by he only countered when it was really beneficial to his argument. I think that might of surprised as many people as Palin's lengthy period of coherency, and it legitimizes his image to an extent. Much in the same way Palin did tonight. Biden made a point to reach out to the middle class and I think he succeeded.

On a side note, talking over here is fun. I should make trips in here more often :p.
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