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Shocking truth about Obama's religion
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Mr Gray Oct 5 2008, 03:34 AM Post #31
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Calling it God's will or a mission from God is pretty tomato/tamato to me.
Calling something a "mission from God" and praying that something you are doing is in accordance with God's will are 2 very very different statements with very different meanings.
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I've been to a few catholic services, and the parishioners sprinkle themselves with holy water, and the priest sometimes blesses people. And I posted a link that the catholic church believes in demons/witches and performs exorcisms. Religion doesn't get any more main-stream than Catholicism, so I've clearly demonstrated that these beliefs are by no means abnormal.

And when you consider that all Christians believe in invisible men and eternal life, arguing about these minor differences is silly.
This is just hilarious. You're comparing sprinkling holy water on someone to chasing an old woman out of town by threats to stone her to death....

Yeah, you're right. Exact same thing, except one would put someone in prison and the other is perfectly legal. But religions do both, so same thing.
Like aaron correctly pointed out, the Kenyan was invited to her church, and it was a ONE time event. Was Palin supposed to fully research this guy while running a city and being a mother to four kids? And it's a fact that the Catholic belief of exercism isn't much different than the Kenyan beliefs.

Once again you make a post that shows you are neither "conservative" nor objective. You should change your moniker to "ObamaFaithful." Yes, I have a strong bias toward McCain, but I'm transparent about that, and acknowledge other points of view.
Once again you make assumptions.

I don't give a shit about Palin having this guy at her church. It doesn't matter one bit to me. Your McCain fanboyism defense of it is all that I'm laughing at. You sound like a complete moron when you try to defend everyone of her actions, even the ones that don't matter. Comparing holy water to threatening to kill people with stones is just fucking hilarious.
What assumption did I make? I was making the point (quite well in fact) that all organized religions have beliefs that seem odd if you aren't a believer. Laying on hands, holy water, and exorcists are all relatively trivial examples when compared to the main christian beliefs that revolve around invisible men and eternal life. Obama believes in them and Palin believes in them.

Instead of adding something of value to the discussion, you chose to make an ass of yourself.
Your assumption was that I was bashing Palin when I wasn't. She doesn't need to defend this person in my eyes. The only thing that's amusing is at what lengths you'll go to try to defend her (Once again I'll go slow for you; she doesn't need to be defended.). The funny thing is you did try to defend her, and again in your reply you compare beliefs that are all perfectly legal and harm no one. Believing in "invisible men" and "eternal life" do not harm anyone. They're perfectly legal. Threatening to stone someone to death because they're a witch, which this person happily brags about, is completely illegal. It's ridiculous to compare the two.

I don't think she needs to defend any of this. SHE wasn't the person threatening to stone people to death. The only thing that's funny is YOU'RE defending him. That's what's ridiculous.
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Calling it God's will or a mission from God is pretty tomato/tamato to me.
You're just irritated that your guy believes in invisible men, prays to God, and expects to have eternal life. It must suck to be you.
That doesn't make any fucking sense. Obama has nothing to do with this, I don't care what people choose to belief in. My issue is there is already such a negative perception of Americans around the world, and then for a vice presidental canidate to make such a careless statement like that only throws fuel on the fire.
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Calling it God's will or a mission from God is pretty tomato/tamato to me.
Calling something a "mission from God" and praying that something you are doing is in accordance with God's will are 2 very very different statements with very different meanings.
I respectfully disagree.
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McCain is realizing he can't win a campaign based on issues that our country is really concerned about, such as the economy, the war in Iraq, potential future wars, (how we will pay for them?) our healthcare system, etc etc... so they are grasping at straws to bash Obama using ridiculous tactics that no one really cares about in how it affects their lives. This will get uglier in the next 30 days.

Hell, even INDIANA is moving towards Obama!!! I can't remember the last time Indiana was a "blue state" :goiu:
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Calling it God's will or a mission from God is pretty tomato/tamato to me.
Calling something a "mission from God" and praying that something you are doing is in accordance with God's will are 2 very very different statements with very different meanings.
I respectfully disagree.
mongo, if you want to disagree that's fine, but I would love to hear you elaborate on that one as I am a little confused by your conclusion. I would think that all believers in God should pray that the work we are sending out troops to do on our behalf is in accordance with God's will.....certainly if you believe in God and want to follow his will, you would not want to be doing something that you don't think he would approve of. Obviously there would also be an implication and hope that God would help keep our troups safe if they are doing his will, but it seems a far cry from a declaration that we are absolutely on a mission from God.
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Calling it God's will or a mission from God is pretty tomato/tamato to me.
Calling something a "mission from God" and praying that something you are doing is in accordance with God's will are 2 very very different statements with very different meanings.
I respectfully disagree.
Maybe the board's other resident Christian expert, Dreachon, the guy who thinks Jesus is dead, can help clear this up for you.
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I've been to a few catholic services, and the parishioners sprinkle themselves with holy water, and the priest sometimes blesses people. And I posted a link that the catholic church believes in demons/witches and performs exorcisms. Religion doesn't get any more main-stream than Catholicism, so I've clearly demonstrated that these beliefs are by no means abnormal.

And when you consider that all Christians believe in invisible men and eternal life, arguing about these minor differences is silly.
This is just hilarious. You're comparing sprinkling holy water on someone to chasing an old woman out of town by threats to stone her to death....

Yeah, you're right. Exact same thing, except one would put someone in prison and the other is perfectly legal. But religions do both, so same thing.
Like aaron correctly pointed out, the Kenyan was invited to her church, and it was a ONE time event. Was Palin supposed to fully research this guy while running a city and being a mother to four kids? And it's a fact that the Catholic belief of exercism isn't much different than the Kenyan beliefs.

Once again you make a post that shows you are neither "conservative" nor objective. You should change your moniker to "ObamaFaithful." Yes, I have a strong bias toward McCain, but I'm transparent about that, and acknowledge other points of view.
Once again you make assumptions.

I don't give a shit about Palin having this guy at her church. It doesn't matter one bit to me. Your McCain fanboyism defense of it is all that I'm laughing at. You sound like a complete moron when you try to defend everyone of her actions, even the ones that don't matter. Comparing holy water to threatening to kill people with stones is just fucking hilarious.
What assumption did I make? I was making the point (quite well in fact) that all organized religions have beliefs that seem odd if you aren't a believer. Laying on hands, holy water, and exorcists are all relatively trivial examples when compared to the main christian beliefs that revolve around invisible men and eternal life. Obama believes in them and Palin believes in them.

Instead of adding something of value to the discussion, you chose to make an ass of yourself.
Your assumption was that I was bashing Palin when I wasn't. She doesn't need to defend this person in my eyes. The only thing that's amusing is at what lengths you'll go to try to defend her (Once again I'll go slow for you; she doesn't need to be defended.). The funny thing is you did try to defend her, and again in your reply you compare beliefs that are all perfectly legal and harm no one. Believing in "invisible men" and "eternal life" do not harm anyone. They're perfectly legal. Threatening to stone someone to death because they're a witch, which this person happily brags about, is completely illegal. It's ridiculous to compare the two.

I don't think she needs to defend any of this. SHE wasn't the person threatening to stone people to death. The only thing that's funny is YOU'RE defending him. That's what's ridiculous.
I never defended the Kenyan guy, and merely pointed out that the practice of removing evil spirits is relatively mainstream, even practiced by Catholics. My argument was with all of the people posting here who try to make a single event where some black minister blessed Palin into a reason why she isn't qualified for VP. But for some reason, you felt obligated to come in on the Obama lovers side, as usual.
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McCain is realizing he can't win a campaign based on issues that our country is really concerned about, such as the economy, the war in Iraq, potential future wars, (how we will pay for them?) our healthcare system, etc etc... so they are grasping at straws to bash Obama using ridiculous tactics that no one really cares about in how it affects their lives. This will get uglier in the next 30 days.

Hell, even INDIANA is moving towards Obama!!! I can't remember the last time Indiana was a "blue state" :goiu:
Says the guy who LOVES to post Palin attacks...
You must have missed the last debate, where Palin described how she's going to help make government answer to the people again.

Biden explained how the government was going to take over health care, and give the government the power to tell banks what the rates and payments will be for their loans. And how we recently kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon. That one's always worth a good laugh.
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I never defended the Kenyan guy, and merely pointed out that the practice of removing evil spirits is relatively mainstream, even practiced by Catholics.
I find it odd that anyone would bash a christian for participating in a ritual to remove any evil spirits, considering that was one of the most abundant healing practices in which Jesus performed. There are several examples in the Bible of Jesus (and others) healing people by removing evil spirits. I realize that some of you don't believe in the authenticity of the stories of Jesus, but the fact is that Christians, such as Palin, believe in Jesus, therefore it shouldn't really seem "taboo" to believe in evil spirits inhabiting the body.
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But for some reason, you felt obligated to come in on the Obama lovers side, as usual.
How exactly am I on the Obama lovers side? Saying it doesn't matter would be on Palin's side. Calling you out for sounding like a moron is a nonpartisan comment.
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But for some reason, you felt obligated to come in on the Obama lovers side, as usual.
How exactly am I on the Obama lovers side? Saying it doesn't matter would be on Palin's side. Calling you out for sounding like a moron is a nonpartisan comment.
Well, for openers, you said I was comparing holy water to chasing a woman to be stoned. You clearly fabricated that point.
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Calling it God's will or a mission from God is pretty tomato/tamato to me.
Calling something a "mission from God" and praying that something you are doing is in accordance with God's will are 2 very very different statements with very different meanings.
I respectfully disagree.
Maybe the board's other resident Christian expert, Dreachon, the guy who thinks Jesus is dead, can help clear this up for you.
To be clear, I think her exact quote was that it is "a task from G-d". I obviously have no problem with blessing our troops and hoping that we are doing something which will protect our country in the future. What I do have a problem with is the thinking that G-d would in any shape, way, or form condone war. Any war. For any reason. I don't believe G-d wants humans to kill in his name and I don't believe G-d would want some humans to sacrifice others in order to feel safer. That is the problem I have with the quote.

Not sure why you keep making sarcastic posts about my Christian religious knowledge. I've said multiple times I know very little of the Christian religion (or any other religion for that matter). I was brought up Jewish, and that's where most of my religious knowledge is contained. I don't why you would expect me to know other religions in-depth. What may seem obvious to you may be something I've never even thought about and obviously haven't been taught. It'd be like making fun of me for not knowing the basics of French History or some other subject I've never studied.

And yes, I believe Jesus is dead, and most definitely never coming back. For the guy who insinuates that other people don't believe in religious freedom you sure seem to have a problem with other people's beliefs. Hypocrite much?
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Why do you argue with these people over Palin. Hogville and Faithful claim to be conservatives but they will attack Sarah and defend barry. One is a Gov of Alaska and the other is a socialist that will "Punish the wealthy" and give money to the poor. That seems very fiscally conservative to me.
I see, so if you don't contiually suck on McCain's nutsack and never question a decision he makes that means you aren't conservative? please. It is at this point that I will remind you that of the 4 candidates that will appear on most states ballots, I am voting for the most conservative of the four. Meanwhile you will be voting for a guy in McCain that had the same positions on Bush's tax cuts and immigration as Obama did a year ago.
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What I do have a problem with is the thinking that G-d would in any shape, way, or form condone war. Any war. For any reason.
Spoken like a true liberal. I thought Jews believed in the old testament. I've observed that the liberal faith often supersedes one's other religion.

You believing that Christians believe Jesus is dead is amazingly ignorant, but I won't bring it up again. I bet even Brumdog or Mongo know that.
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