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| boilergrad01 | Oct 7 2008, 12:27 AM Post #46 |
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NO NLA, McCain helped him. |
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| boilergrad01 | Oct 7 2008, 12:28 AM Post #47 |
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You say McCain does not care about Vets that is simply not true. If you wanna have an adult conversation ask me where you think McCain has ignored vets and i will offer you an answer. |
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| boilergrad01 | Oct 7 2008, 12:28 AM Post #48 |
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I am a member of two Veterans organizations so I think I know who supports who. |
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| HoosierLars | Oct 7 2008, 12:28 AM Post #49 |
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Here was the thread you posted about the 6:1 Obama funding advantage: http://s15.zetaboards.com/Our_Hoosier_Board/topic/6533544/1/ I think the numbers based on polls run about 55-35 for McCain. Players wouldn't care too much for their coach if he wanted to forfeit the game when they were winning and victory was clearly in sight. Or they wouldn't be happy if their coach went to the press and said his players intentionally played dirty (reference to Obama saying the US military bombs villages and kills innocent civilians.) |
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| BoilerNLA | Oct 7 2008, 12:35 AM Post #50 |
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Since everyone is at least a bit familiar with John McCain’s record when it comes to strolling through a market in Baghdad with hundreds of his closest guards, or how he wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years (except when he flip flops on that). But not that many really, truly know just how horrific his voting record is when it comes to the troops. And it is pretty consistent – whether it is for armor and equipment, for veteran’s health care, for adequate troop rest or anything that actually, you know, supports our troops. This is chock full of links to the roll call votes, and the roll call votes have links to the actual underlying bills and amendments. I present this so that there is support and things that can be rattled off when saying that McCain is not a friend of the military. Feel free to use it as you want, but this can be tied into the "Double Talk Express". But here is a very quick statement - John McCain skipped close to a dozen votes on Iraq, and on at least another 10 occasions, he voted against arming and equipping the troops, providing adequate rest for the troops between deployments and for health care or other benefits for veterans. In mid 2007, Senator Reid noted that McCain missed 10 of the past 14 votes on Iraq. However, here is a summary of a dozen votes (two that he missed and ten that he voted against) with respect to Iraq, funding for veterans or for troops, including equipment and armor. I have also included other snippets related to the time period when the vote occurred. September 2007: McCain voted against the Webb amendment calling for adequate troop rest between deployments. At the time, nearly 65% of people polled in a CNN poll indicted that "things are going either moderately badly or very badly in Iraq. July 2007: McCain voted against a plan to drawdown troop levels in Iraq. At the time, an ABC poll found that 63% thought the invasion was not worth it, and a CBS News poll found that 72% of respondents wanted troops out within 2 years. March 2007: McCain was too busy to vote on a bill that would require the start of a drawdown in troop levels within 120 days with a goal of withdrawing nearly all combat troops within one year. Around this time, an NBC News poll found that 55% of respondents indicated that the US goal of achieving victory in Iraq is not possible. This number has not moved significantly since then. February 2007: For such a strong supporter of the escalation, McCain didn’t even bother to show up and vote against a resolution condemning it. However, at the time a CNN poll found that only 16% of respondents wanted to send more troops to Iraq (that number has since declined to around 10%), while 60% said that some or all should be withdrawn. This number has since gone up to around 70%. June 2006: McCain voted against a resolution that Bush start withdrawing troops but with no timeline to do so. May 2006: McCain voted against an amendment that would provide $20 million to the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) for health care facilities. April 2006: McCain was one of only 13 Senators to vote against $430,000,000 for the Department of Veteran Affairs for Medical Services for outpatient care and treatment for veterans. March 2006: McCain voted against increasing Veterans medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes. March 2004: McCain once again voted for abusive tax loopholes over veterans when he voted against creating a reserve fund to allow for an increase in Veterans' medical care by $1.8 billion by eliminating abusive tax loopholes. Jeez, McCain really loves those tax loopholes for corporations, since he voted for them over our veterans' needs. October 2003: McCain voted to table an amendment by Senator Dodd that called for an additional $322,000,000 for safety equipment for United States forces in Iraq and to reduce the amount provided for reconstruction in Iraq by $322,000,000. April 2003: McCain urged other Senate members to table a vote (which never passed) to provide more than $1 billion for National Guard and Reserve equipment in Iraq related to a shortage of helmets, tents, bullet-proof inserts, and tactical vests. August 2001: McCain voted against increasing the amount available for medical care for veterans by $650,000,000. To his credit, he also voted against the 2001 Bush tax cuts, which he now supports making permanent, despite the dire financial condition this country is in, and despite the fact that he indicated in 2001 that these tax cuts unfairly benefited the very wealthy at the expense of the middle class. So there it is. John McCain is yet another republican former military veteran who likes to talk a big game when it comes to having the support of the military. Yet, time and time again, he has gone out of his way to vote against the needs of those who are serving in our military. If he can’t even see his way to actually doing what the troops want, or what the veterans need, and he doesn’t have the support of veterans, then how can he be a credible commander in chief? |
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| boilergrad01 | Oct 7 2008, 12:36 AM Post #51 |
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NO ????? NLA you just wanna spit venom then run away when pushed. |
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| BoilerNLA | Oct 7 2008, 12:41 AM Post #52 |
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| boilergrad01 | Oct 7 2008, 12:42 AM Post #53 |
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NLA most of your shit is about timelines and troop cuts. Since late 2003 McCain called for more troops and a new stategy. Bush finally adopted it in 2007. That stategy has worked. So I guess not supporting surrender is a diservice to you. The dwell time account that is the Webb bill was a political move on the part of the Dems to have a backdoor drawdown. The Dems played politics once again with the war. Same as the 2006 drawdown bills. Harry reid what a great quality fair source. |
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| boilergrad01 | Oct 7 2008, 12:44 AM Post #54 |
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I posted that at the same time you posted your litany of horseshit. |
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| BoilerNLA | Oct 7 2008, 12:45 AM Post #55 |
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don't give that "waving the white flag of surrender" bullshit... it's not going to fly with voters. |
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| Mr Gray | Oct 7 2008, 09:30 AM Post #56 |
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Faithful, my research points another direction from your assumption. By Obama’s account, he will make federal education aid conditional on schools requiring that high-school and even middle-school students perform 50 hours of service each year. He will also offer college students $4,000 every year for doing 100 hours of public service. That works out to $40 an hour — a deal that only the very wealthy could refuse. (The Obama campaign puts the price tag for this alone at $10 billion.) He promises to provide older Americans who perform civic service with “additional income security, including assistance with retirement and family-related costs, and continuation of health-care coverage.” But a government that links benefits to service can take away benefits for nonservice. Even though Obama does not call his National Service Plan “Mandatory”, one can easily see that it is. |
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| Mr Gray | Oct 7 2008, 09:39 AM Post #57 |
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Faithful, why continue to apologize for Obama's seriously flawed viewpoints? Since when is "I really doubt it would get passed" an acceptable excuse for socialist viewpoints? What if McCain, who is against gay marriage, said that he was going to institute the death penalty for all homosexuals? Would you excuse that view because it would obviously never get passed? You sure are quick to apologize for Obama considering your self proclaimed "conservative" stance. 1st of all, this evidence is all over the place. If you haven't seen it, you aren't looking very hard. He announced his candidacy at Ayers house for crying out loud. Ayers admitted publicly in 2001 (I believe...anyway it was recent) that he was not sorry for his actions in bombing state buildings and actually wishes he would have done more. How does that imply to you that he has changed? Seriously Faithful, this thread is making me wonder about you......Ayers is someone that any prospective national leader should run the opposite direction from and have absolutely ZERO ties to. I don't necessarily think Obama is a terrorist, however this shows his tolerance of such radical views as well as his extremely POOR JUDGEMENT! |
![]() The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism. | |
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| boilergrad01 | Oct 7 2008, 09:43 AM Post #58 |
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Breaking NEWS The crazy teacher that allowed this Obama thing has been suspended. The news reports it took place in Missouri. |
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| Mr Gray | Oct 7 2008, 09:50 AM Post #59 |
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:rofl: :rofl: NLA, you have got to be kidding.....WOW |
![]() The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism. | |
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| HoosierLars | Oct 7 2008, 09:55 AM Post #60 |
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Here's the link to NLA's latest cut and paste "effort." Would you mind just posting the links in the future, with maybe one or two of the points pasted? The answer's probably "no," because you don't actually read these. I noticed there's no mention of "the surge." What a leftist piece of rubbish. http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/?Page=Article&ID=9559 |
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