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HoosierLars Oct 7 2008, 09:58 AM Post #61
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I didn't say McCain doesn't care about soldiers, but I think Obama cares more about Veterans and their families.
:rofl: :rofl: NLA, you have got to be kidding.....WOW
I'll never forget watching Joe Scarborough interviewing Nancy Pelosi during the 2000 Florida recount, and she said she thought the overseas military vote would favor Gore. Joe couldn't stop laughing the rest of the interview. I think she is both delusional and a liar. Must make the Dems proud seeing her as their leader.
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Vet for common sense a Move on supported group. They also support Vets vote .org and Iraq and Afghanistan vets. One must wonder how much money the evil left has to attack the right? Would that money be better used supporting the poor and needy than playing politics with national defense????????? They same people that want to punish the rich......
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Would that money be better used supporting the poor and needy than playing politics with national defense?????????
As opposed to the neocons who never play politics with national defense.
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Bush Rove Cheney Rummy yes

McCain did not
2003 Called Bush out for more troops
2005 Again called for more troops
2006 see 2003-2005
2007 huge support for the surge at the beginning of a primary season

McCain is not Bush or Rummy
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I really doubt he'd ever get passed mandatory service. There would be too many people against it.
Faithful, why continue to apologize for Obama's seriously flawed viewpoints? Since when is "I really doubt it would get passed" an acceptable excuse for socialist viewpoints? What if McCain, who is against gay marriage, said that he was going to institute the death penalty for all homosexuals? Would you excuse that view because it would obviously never get passed? You sure are quick to apologize for Obama considering your self proclaimed "conservative" stance.

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I've never seen much actual evidence that Ayers and Obama are very close. Even so, Ayers isn't teaching the same views as he was 40 years ago. Age has a way of doing that to people
1st of all, this evidence is all over the place. If you haven't seen it, you aren't looking very hard. He announced his candidacy at Ayers house for crying out loud. Ayers admitted publicly in 2001 (I believe...anyway it was recent) that he was not sorry for his actions in bombing state buildings and actually wishes he would have done more. How does that imply to you that he has changed?

Seriously Faithful, this thread is making me wonder about you......Ayers is someone that any prospective national leader should run the opposite direction from and have absolutely ZERO ties to. I don't necessarily think Obama is a terrorist, however this shows his tolerance of such radical views as well as his extremely POOR JUDGEMENT!
How was I defending his viewpoints? I don't think he has those viewpoints. I was just pointing out that if by some crazy miracle it happened to be true, it would never get passed.

Find me a trustworthy article showing that Obama announced his candidacy at Ayers house. That sounds like complete bullshit, and if you believe it, then you've lost all credibility. The only connections I've seen is that they served on the same anti-poverty board and Ayers has donated $200 to his campaign.

It's pretty hard to live in Chicago and not have ties to Ayers. He's a public figure in that town and a very active member of the community. While it's not something I'd be happy about, it's definitely nowhere near what you're making it out to be. It's amazing how many lame attacks you guys have had on Obama.
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Fox news claims it was at the old state capitol building in Springfield Illinios. But they are part of the MSM and obviously biased against McCain.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251293,00.html
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Fox news claims it was at the old state capitol building in Springfield Illinios. But they are part of the MSM and obviously biased against McCain.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251293,00.html
EElbor, They are talking about his first State Senate race. Fuckass Ayers had some friends over and introduced Obama. it was in like 1995
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Fox news claims it was at the old state capitol building in Springfield Illinios. But they are part of the MSM and obviously biased against McCain.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251293,00.html
Actually I think he is refferring to his IL senate race. He did have an event at Ayers house, though I don't think it was a capaign announcement, more of a meet and greet.
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How was I defending his viewpoints? I don't think he has those viewpoints. I was just pointing out that if by some crazy miracle it happened to be true, it would never get passed.
Not sure why you don't think he has those viewpoints. Here are the facts from Obama on it. I posted this in this thread, but you might have missed it.

By Obama’s account, he will make federal education aid conditional on schools requiring that high-school and even middle-school students perform 50 hours of service each year. He will also offer college students $4,000 every year for doing 100 hours of public service. That works out to $40 an hour — a deal that only the very wealthy could refuse. (The Obama campaign puts the price tag for this alone at $10 billion.) He promises to provide older Americans who perform civic service with “additional income security, including assistance with retirement and family-related costs, and continuation of health-care coverage.” But a government that links benefits to service can take away benefits for nonservice.

Even though Obama does not call his National Service Plan “Mandatory”, one can easily see that it is.
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How was I defending his viewpoints? I don't think he has those viewpoints. I was just pointing out that if by some crazy miracle it happened to be true, it would never get passed.
Not sure why you don't think he has those viewpoints. Here are the facts from Obama on it. I posted this in this thread, but you might have missed it.

By Obama?s account, he will make federal education aid conditional on schools requiring that high-school and even middle-school students perform 50 hours of service each year. He will also offer college students $4,000 every year for doing 100 hours of public service. That works out to $40 an hour ? a deal that only the very wealthy could refuse. (The Obama campaign puts the price tag for this alone at $10 billion.) He promises to provide older Americans who perform civic service with ?additional income security, including assistance with retirement and family-related costs, and continuation of health-care coverage.? But a government that links benefits to service can take away benefits for nonservice.

Even though Obama does not call his National Service Plan ?Mandatory?, one can easily see that it is.

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By the way, did you guys know that the RNC has a page up on their website that details how deeply invovled Obama is with Ayers. Wanna know what it says? To paraphrase, it says:
Obama served on the board of X organization with Ayers.....
Obama served on the board of X organization with Ayers....
Obama praises Ayers book on the juvenile court system....

Man, that is some pretty damning stuff.
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How was I defending his viewpoints? I don't think he has those viewpoints. I was just pointing out that if by some crazy miracle it happened to be true, it would never get passed.
Not sure why you don't think he has those viewpoints. Here are the facts from Obama on it. I posted this in this thread, but you might have missed it.

By Obama?s account, he will make federal education aid conditional on schools requiring that high-school and even middle-school students perform 50 hours of service each year. He will also offer college students $4,000 every year for doing 100 hours of public service. That works out to $40 an hour ? a deal that only the very wealthy could refuse. (The Obama campaign puts the price tag for this alone at $10 billion.) He promises to provide older Americans who perform civic service with ?additional income security, including assistance with retirement and family-related costs, and continuation of health-care coverage.? But a government that links benefits to service can take away benefits for nonservice.

Even though Obama does not call his National Service Plan ?Mandatory?, one can easily see that it is.
I read what you posted, and it's actually something I've been hoping would happen for a long time. A lot of kids are already going to college on the governments dime. I'd much prefer they worked to earn their way by volunteering. I'm not sure how you can deem that socialist because to me that's more conservative than our current philosophy that gives money to all low income without asking anything in return.
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How was I defending his viewpoints? I don't think he has those viewpoints. I was just pointing out that if by some crazy miracle it happened to be true, it would never get passed.
Not sure why you don't think he has those viewpoints. Here are the facts from Obama on it. I posted this in this thread, but you might have missed it.

By Obama?s account, he will make federal education aid conditional on schools requiring that high-school and even middle-school students perform 50 hours of service each year. He will also offer college students $4,000 every year for doing 100 hours of public service. That works out to $40 an hour ? a deal that only the very wealthy could refuse. (The Obama campaign puts the price tag for this alone at $10 billion.) He promises to provide older Americans who perform civic service with ?additional income security, including assistance with retirement and family-related costs, and continuation of health-care coverage.? But a government that links benefits to service can take away benefits for nonservice.

Even though Obama does not call his National Service Plan ?Mandatory?, one can easily see that it is.
I read what you posted, and it's actually something I've been hoping would happen for a long time. A lot of kids are already going to college on the governments dime. I'd much prefer they worked to earn their way by volunteering. I'm not sure how you can deem that socialist because to me that's more conservative than our current philosophy that gives money to all low income without asking anything in return.
Wow...you really don't understand socialism/communism do you? Don't take offense to that comment...it could be that you haven't studied it as much as I and other have, but Obama mandatory service/government compensation program is the definition.
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How was I defending his viewpoints? I don't think he has those viewpoints. I was just pointing out that if by some crazy miracle it happened to be true, it would never get passed.
Not sure why you don't think he has those viewpoints. Here are the facts from Obama on it. I posted this in this thread, but you might have missed it.

By Obama?s account, he will make federal education aid conditional on schools requiring that high-school and even middle-school students perform 50 hours of service each year. He will also offer college students $4,000 every year for doing 100 hours of public service. That works out to $40 an hour ? a deal that only the very wealthy could refuse. (The Obama campaign puts the price tag for this alone at $10 billion.) He promises to provide older Americans who perform civic service with ?additional income security, including assistance with retirement and family-related costs, and continuation of health-care coverage.? But a government that links benefits to service can take away benefits for nonservice.

Even though Obama does not call his National Service Plan ?Mandatory?, one can easily see that it is.
I read what you posted, and it's actually something I've been hoping would happen for a long time. A lot of kids are already going to college on the governments dime. I'd much prefer they worked to earn their way by volunteering. I'm not sure how you can deem that socialist because to me that's more conservative than our current philosophy that gives money to all low income without asking anything in return.
Wow...you really don't understand socialism/communism do you? Don't take offense to that comment...it could be that you haven't studied it as much as I and other have, but Obama mandatory service/government compensation program is the definition.
Here's the thing though Aaron, you and the author of that article that you quoted are calling it mandatory, but it really isn't.
Check this quote: he will make federal education aid conditional on schools requiring that high-school and even middle-school students perform 50 hours of service each year.
Now this says to me that schools can not require service, but if they do they will not receive federal funding. So how does that make it mandatory? If they are given the option to refuse funding in return for not requring service, that is not mandatory.
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