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Sarah Palin was very impressive today in NC
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hoosierinhogville Oct 8 2008, 02:10 PM Post #31
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Probably, but that doesn't change the fact, that every day it gets a little harder for McCain. Take your fanboy blinders off for a second BG and honestly tell me, looking at the electoral map less than a month away, do you really think McCain has much of a shot at winning?
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McCain has the same problem. If you believe it is closer than the polls say and the lead right now it might cost both some votes and people believe it is over. I think in NC if that happens it is advantage McCain because Sen. Dole is up to bring our Repubs and we have a very Popoular Mayor of Charlotte running for Gov. That should keep Repub turn out high and maybe th Dems get over confident and have a weak turnout. I would rather win on the issues......
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McCain has the same problem. If you believe it is closer than the polls say and the lead right now it might cost both some votes and people believe it is over. I think in NC if that happens it is advantage McCain because Sen. Dole is up to bring our Repubs and we have a very Popoular Mayor of Charlotte running for Gov. That should keep Repub turn out high and maybe th Dems get over confident and have a weak turnout. I would rather win on the issues......
Is this the same Dole who is trailing in the polls in NC?
Listen, I think McCain will win NC and MO. Here is the thing though. He HAS to win those states. He can't afford to give up states that Bush won, states that generally vote Republican.
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I think we have a chance. Am I a little nervous yes. Am I pleased with where we are no. That is why I am going to the Phonebank tonight and doing an event this weekend. NC should be over but it is a fight. WE have to win FL NC VA IN MO OH CO and NV we are within 5 points i believe in all those states. It will be risky but we had to win all those states 6 months ago. 3 weeks ago we looked strong in all of them except CO. Obama will fall a little bit it always tightens prior to election day. The ACORN shit if the MSM ever picks it up will hurt Obama. I think we have about a 45% shot on election day. I know we have work to do and am going to fight to the finish.
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...impressive?...well, that means she obviously didn't have to answer any questions... :D
No she didn't answer alot of questions. The thing that was so impressive was the way she worked the crowd. She had probably never been to NC in her life. It is harder just walking in after getting off a plane going directly to a stage and being on and lighting up the room. Sen E Dole who has been in this arena for years was not as smooth as Sarah. Mayor Pat who is a 7 term Mayor running for Gov in his home state was not a s smooth. I guess the thing that really struck me was as she was on the walkway sighning autograghs she made eye contact with people and waved truly connecting. She then out of a monster area where the crowd had ascended she saw a special needs adult child. She then made eye contact with the mom and went straight to her and talked. Then she sighned something for the special needs person. You could tell it meant alot to him. That is pretty amazing that she could even make out a face in the crowd. I was on the same stage earlier and I just saw a sea of people and couldn't really make out a face.
lots of people can work crowds. unfortunately, for sarah, she's running for vice president of the united states of america. that's a job where you have to answer questions. she's shown that she can't.

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She more than held her own against Biden. Be afraid, my friend, very afraid.
be afraid of what? a governor of a state that isn't even a part of the continental 48? not like she's going to be vice president or anything...

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Hogville,

I think we have a chance. Am I a little nervous yes. Am I pleased with where we are no. That is why I am going to the Phonebank tonight and doing an event this weekend. NC should be over but it is a fight. WE have to win FL NC VA IN MO OH CO and NV we are within 5 points i believe in all those states. It will be risky but we had to win all those states 6 months ago. 3 weeks ago we looked strong in all of them except CO. Obama will fall a little bit it always tightens prior to election day. The ACORN shit if the MSM ever picks it up will hurt Obama. I think we have about a 45% shot on election day. I know we have work to do and am going to fight to the finish.
45%? Wow, I think you are really optimistic. You just listed 8 states that you HAVE to win. YOu can't afford for Obama to pick off 1. I think that McCain has a good shot in the first 6 you listed, but NV, and CO especially have been trending upward for Obama, and I see no reason why that will change. Obama has all the advantages on his side right now. He has a much better grassroots organization, he is outspending McCain, and because he is competitive is in so many places he can stretch McCain thin both financially and logistically.
You keep saying "if the MSM would cover this" "if the MSM would cover that" well unless there is some surprise revelation, or terrorist attack, or something along those lines, the economy is going to dominate the news cycle right up until the election, and Obama is kicking McCain's ass on the economy.

Right now, I would say McCain has about a 25% chance of winning.
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I say it is higher than 25% I agree IN VA MO NC OH FL are 75% McCain runs them but that is only 260 EV. I say 45 % because PA or WI or maybe MN all have the voes to get us to 270. CO and NV are not the only routes. I agree Obama has many routes to 270 I have seen on a few odd sites that a 269-269 tie is like 6% possible. That gives us a Obama/Palin administration. So if that is at 6% I say McCain has to have a 40% shot. BTW Dole is back up in NC and Mayor Pat McCorey however you spell his name is up and he will bring a big turnout in Charlotte that will help McCain and Dole. I talked to her about it yesterday.
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I say it is higher than 25% I agree IN VA MO NC OH FL are 75% McCain runs them but that is only 260 EV. I say 45 % because PA or WI or maybe MN all have the voes to get us to 270. CO and NV are not the only routes. I agree Obama has many routes to 270 I have seen on a few odd sites that a 269-269 tie is like 6% possible. That gives us a Obama/Palin administration. So if that is at 6% I say McCain has to have a 40% shot. BTW Dole is back up in NC and Mayor Pat McCorey however you spell his name is up and he will bring a big turnout in Charlotte that will help McCain and Dole. I talked to her about it yesterday.
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. You make a good case, but I just don't see McCain taking WI or MN and little shot in PA, which would make a win very very difficult.
I guess we will see who is right in about 28 days.
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Keep in mind I am a little biased and have invested alot of time and energy into this and see no reason to just quit now. We have beem down before. 28 days before New hampshire McCain was down and 28 Days before SC we had little chance there. I agree that it will be whoever turns out its base. Frim what I have seen McCain has a lillte marginal advantage among independents but Obama has a base advantage. I have to hope we turn our base out and Sarah should deliver them. CNN just did a segment on the Bradley factor. Chris Obama Matthews has also spoken about the bradley factor in states like Ohio PA and Indiana.
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I really do not want to win on the Bradley factor that would be bad for America
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I really do not want to win on the Bradley factor that would be bad for America
I agree, and I do think that will have an effect though not a 10 point effect as Aaron suggest. The yourger the voting demographic, the less part it will play. Also, I think the Bradley effect will be ofset somewhat by record turnout among blacks.
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I would not count on that turnout or the youth vote because for some reason it never makes it to the polls.
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they're attempting to make it REALLY easy for the college vote this year. not only were people getting students registered (volunteers from both campaigns) for virtually the whole school year so far, early voting has started ON CAMPUS. students can vote early in the HPER (which makes it extremely easy). If this same style is repeated across college campuses nationwide, i could see the college/youth vote playing a factor.
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they're attempting to make it REALLY easy for the college vote this year. not only were people getting students registered (volunteers from both campaigns) for virtually the whole school year so far, early voting has started ON CAMPUS. students can vote early in the HPER (which makes it extremely easy). If this same style is repeated across college campuses nationwide, i could see the college/youth vote playing a factor.
God help us all if thats the case.
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It is kinda like paying your VISA bill. Alot of people have the money but just kinda put it off put it off and bamo you are late.

For Hog CNN just predicted a 263-275 loss for McCain. I think we rally in PA. and CO is still up for grabs but I am afraid end of the day CO might be the spike that stabs us.
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