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I feel sorry for; the poor & middle class
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eelbor Nov 5 2008, 03:26 PM Post #31
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I just had a personal 1 on 1 conversation with congressman Mark Sauder for about a half hour, which was great. He informed me that Republicans have basically lost every congressional district that contains a city with more than 250,000 people, except Omaha (if I remember right).


Interesting babbling. The real question is not how to win seats, it is how to keep seats. How can conservatives become the vote of choice. Obama voters embraced the man. McCain voters voted the lesser of two evils. So how do you plan on being the candidate people want to elect?

BTW, Tulsa proper has 384k people and the metropolitan area has about 900k. We have a republican congressman.
Oklahoma City has a population of 537k and the metropolitan area has about 1.2 million and has a republican congressman, so Mark Sauder's numbers are not quite true. But then again, Oklahoma has an entirely different outlook on conservatism. Our democrats would probably be republicans in any other state.
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hoosierinhogville Nov 5 2008, 03:47 PM Post #32
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Now, you also have to walk the conservative walk, which isn't happening with all republicans right now either, but that is more a product of candidates instead of strategy. That is the next step...we need to really evaluate our candidates, and not just throw our support behind someone because of what they can offer us (which is what is happening with a lot of county GOP offices).
I think this touches on what I was trying to get at earlier in the tread. All too often the GOP has turned to guys like Bush because they have money, or because they thought they could win and didn't realize that in the process they were writing there own death sentence. These guys aren't conservatives, and yet they have been allowed to take control of the "party of conservatives." The more I read of Ron Paul, Austrian School Economics, and classical lieberalism, the more I like it. With that being said, I don't think that is necessary to have a bunch of Ron Paul clones running the federal government, though I do think that is direction the party needs to head. And I like the steps you have layed out to do that. I think the first part of that process though has to be identifying candidates that as you say "walk the walk" and that is the hard part; finding someone that not only believes in the ideals, but is also a viable candidate. So with that in mind, do you have anyone or even better a few anyones in mind that is involved in politics now that can take a leadership role in this process?
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hoosierinhogville Nov 5 2008, 03:58 PM Post #33
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Interesting babbling. The real question is not how to win seats, it is how to keep seats. How can conservatives become the vote of choice. Obama voters embraced the man. McCain voters voted the lesser of two evils. So how do you plan on being the candidate people want to elect?

My two cents: I think if you find the right candidate who has the right ideals, keeping the seat will take care of itself. I hate to keep bringing up Ron Paul, but take him for example. There is a reason why he keeps getting re-elected. I know Bri dismisses his impact, but the people who have actually took the time to listen to him have embraced him. Look at the number of people just on this board who considered writing him in this year. The problem is that what he is saying isn't good for 10 sec. sound bites on the news so people don't get exposed to him much.
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Mr Gray Nov 5 2008, 04:05 PM Post #34
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Now, you also have to walk the conservative walk, which isn't happening with all republicans right now either, but that is more a product of candidates instead of strategy. That is the next step...we need to really evaluate our candidates, and not just throw our support behind someone because of what they can offer us (which is what is happening with a lot of county GOP offices).
I think this touches on what I was trying to get at earlier in the tread. All too often the GOP has turned to guys like Bush because they have money, or because they thought they could win and didn't realize that in the process they were writing there own death sentence. These guys aren't conservatives, and yet they have been allowed to take control of the "party of conservatives." The more I read of Ron Paul, Austrian School Economics, and classical lieberalism, the more I like it. With that being said, I don't think that is necessary to have a bunch of Ron Paul clones running the federal government, though I do think that is direction the party needs to head. And I like the steps you have layed out to do that. I think the first part of that process though has to be identifying candidates that as you say "walk the walk" and that is the hard part; finding someone that not only believes in the ideals, but is also a viable candidate. So with that in mind, do you have anyone or even better a few anyones in mind that is involved in politics now that can take a leadership role in this process?
At a national level, the only one that we would have contact with at this point (we are just in Indiana right now) would be Congressman Pence. He won in a landslide yesterday, proving to me that conservative ideals aren't lost. In my work over for the campaigns over the last month or so, i have yet to hear a bad thing about him from anyone, even dems. We are going to meet with Mr. Pence soon, now that the election is over. Eel is right...Pence should run for Senate, and he would have a good shot at taking Evan's seat.

On a local level, we have assembled a very good group, many of which wish to work behind the scenes, but also a few that are interested in running for various offices. 1st things 1st though, we have the replace any local GOP leadership who isn't on board with this, because like it or not, the county GOP offices are the official representation of the Republican Party. We have found several good conservatives who would be willing to take on the "thankless" job of GOP chairman in the areas where replacement is necessary (I will give details after this is complete).
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On a local level, we have assembled a very good group, many of which wish to work behind the scenes, but also a few that are interested in running for various offices. 1st things 1st though, we have the replace any local GOP leadership who isn't on board with this, because like it or not, the county GOP offices are the official representation of the Republican Party. We have found several good conservatives who would be willing to take on the "thankless" job of GOP chairman in the areas where replacement is necessary (I will give details after this is complete).
Yeah, keep us informed. This is the kind of thing that I have been mulling over here. The problem for me is that other than my wife's uncle, I don't really have any contacts in the Republican party here, so this is all in the theoretical stage for me at this point.
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brumdog44 Nov 5 2008, 04:31 PM Post #36
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Note to Aaron. The sky is not falling. Yet. Buck up, we survived 8 years of Bush didn't we?
agreed, but I am just very disappointed in what I perceive as the extreme ignorance and unconstitutional motivations of the millions of citizens who voted Obama into office last night. Very disappointed
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