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Sarah Palin; the verdict?
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dreachon Nov 5 2008, 02:32 AM Post #1
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I personally believe that she single-handedly cost McCain the election. Her Katie Couric interview may have been the most damaging interview ever. From McCain within 3% to down over 6% a little over a week after the interview. I know Lars praised the pick as "genius" and Aaron switched his vote to McCain when Palin was announced, but you guys have to admit she destroyed the campaign. Women overwhelmingly went for Obama in the election and the pick of Palin is a big reason why.
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sirbrianwilson Nov 5 2008, 07:55 AM Post #2
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i think obama would have won regardless, but yeah, she did nothing for the mccain campaign. a very ill-thought pick based on quick assumptions and little research.

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mongo Nov 5 2008, 08:09 AM Post #3
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She hurt him really bad, but I reiterate Bush really hurt him.
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I think it wasn't so much that she hurt him, but rather she didn't help him. In the end, McCain wasn't going to win with just the conservative base in this election year, and while Palin may have fired up the base, she did nothing to help him with independants. It is that simple.
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Bobobinc Nov 5 2008, 08:49 AM Post #5
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I think it wasn't so much that she hurt him, but rather she didn't help him. In the end, McCain wasn't going to win with just the conservative base in this election year, and while Palin may have fired up the base, she did nothing to help him with independants. It is that simple.
I agree. I've never understood why the McCain camp felt like they needed to energize the base. While a few less may have voted without a right wing VP, the majority of Republicans are still going to go to the polls and vote for McCain over Obama. Winning the middle, the independents, is how you win elections these days and if McCain had just stayed true to who I think he is, things might have been different.
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It wasn't Sarah Palin. It was the RNC. Look around Republican carnage everywhere. That is not all Princess Sarah's fault. Sure would McCain had a better shot with Tom Ridge maybe. THE RNC is the problem. Sen McCain and his staff was alright until the RNC tookover.

This hurts to say But Howard Dean kicked the RNC's ass. Obama won they picked up seats in the house and semate. The RNC has totally collopsed. 2004 Bush wins and the Repubs grow to a 55 majority in the Senate 4 years later they lose 11 seats in the Senate and what 50 seats in the house. That is alot of seats to lose in just two elections.

Sarah was mishandled yes. She made a few mistakes yes. It is to easy to put it all on her.

You want someone to blame it is the RNC
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the OCtober market crash single handedly won the election for Bo Bo Obama. His brother, Bin Laden, probably was buying S&P put futures all month to help orchastrate the takedown.
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Being trapped with public funding only did no favors for McCain. Nor did following the worst republican president since Harding. It was the perfect storm of an ineffectual campaign, lack of funds, and a general negative public sentiment. Palin 'energized' the base, but it wasn't effective in bringing in new votes. Most saw her as a social conservative. That is all that is left of the republican party right now, Social Conservatives and Senior Citizens.
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the OCtober market crash single handedly won the election for Bo Bo Obama. His brother, Bin Laden, probably was buying S&P put futures all month to help orchastrate the takedown.
Besides the brother part, there's definitely some truth to that.
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Being trapped with public funding only did no favors for McCain. Nor did following the worst republican president since Harding. It was the perfect storm of an ineffectual campaign, lack of funds, and a general negative public sentiment. Palin 'energized' the base, but it wasn't effective in bringing in new votes. Most saw her as a social conservative. That is all that is left of the republican party right now, Social Conservatives and Senior Citizens.
That's a bit of an over-statement, Eel. There's a large block of voters who still believe in smaller government, and the Repubs are much better than liberal democrats. The Dems do an excellent job of demonizing social conservatives for exercising their religious freedom.

In the final analysis, I think Palin's influence was a push, and she was marginalized by the MSM pro-Obama machine.

Edit: Changed "don't think" to "think".
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Being trapped with public funding only did no favors for McCain. Nor did following the worst republican president since Harding. It was the perfect storm of an ineffectual campaign, lack of funds, and a general negative public sentiment. Palin 'energized' the base, but it wasn't effective in bringing in new votes. Most saw her as a social conservative. That is all that is left of the republican party right now, Social Conservatives and Senior Citizens.
That's a bit of an over-statement, Eel. There's a large block of voters who still believe in smaller government, and the Repubs are much better than liberal democrats. The Dems do an excellent job of demonizing social conservatives for exercising their religious freedom.

In the final analysis, I don't think Palin's influence was a push, and she was marginalized by the MSM pro-Obama machine.
I agree her influence was a push. The problem is, with the other elements that were draining on the McCain presidential campaign, he needed someone to bring votes to the table. She did not bring new votes. If you look at a lot of the dems that took republican seats, they ran just slightly left of center. Heck, Obama tried to run as just left of center.
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That's a bit of an over-statement, Eel. There's a large block of voters who still believe in smaller government, and the Repubs are much better than liberal democrats. The Dems do an excellent job of demonizing social conservatives for exercising their religious freedom.

In the final analysis, I don't think Palin's influence was a push, and she was marginalized by the MSM pro-Obama machine.
Better? Maybe, but not by much, not enough to really make a difference and that is the problem. Alex Castellanos said it best on CNN last night. He said the GOp failed when they became a party of big government, big spenders. He said if that is what voters wanted they already had the Democratic party, and now there isn't much difference between the two, so why not vote for the Dems. And he is a Republican.

And dude if you think Sarah Palin was a push you are sadly mistaken. One of the worst things the GOP could do long term to their party coming out of this big meeting of their would be to push Sarah Palin as the next big star of the GOP. You heard it here first.
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. One of the worst things the GOP could do long term to their party coming out of this big meeting of their would be to push Sarah Palin as the next big star of the GOP. You heard it here first.
I will second that. It is like you are typing the words for me today Hog!
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. One of the worst things the GOP could do long term to their party coming out of this big meeting of their would be to push Sarah Palin as the next big star of the GOP. You heard it here first.
I will second that. It is like you are typing the words for me today Hog!
Well, I am glad I am not the only one around here thinking straight. If the GOP wants to move forward, they have to end the rule of the neo-cons in the party.
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HOG,

I am starting the National Veterans Leadership Council

I plan to run 30 veterans fro the house in 2010. The bad news is picking up 30 seats in 2010 will not get the house back. maybe it will get the party back.

national security
Fiscal responsibility
Energy Independence
Leadership

I am seriously starting this organization or arm of the republican party no neo-cons allowed. I hope to get in touch with Newt and have him assist. I plan to offer training sessions for the canidates and there camp managers. I am lining up think tanks to give proposals to the canidates. Some of you might laugh but i agree the repub party is broke. it must be fixed. 4 years ago the Dems where broke they turned it around.

I have already spoken to a few donors and I have a week to put my proposal together.
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