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Sarah Palin; the verdict?
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HoosierLars Nov 5 2008, 12:34 PM Post #16
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HOG,

I am starting the National Veterans Leadership Council

I plan to run 30 veterans fro the house in 2010. The bad news is picking up 30 seats in 2010 will not get the house back. maybe it will get the party back.

national security
Fiscal responsibility
Energy Independence
Leadership

I am seriously starting this organization or arm of the republican party no neo-cons allowed. I hope to get in touch with Newt and have him assist. I plan to offer training sessions for the canidates and there camp managers. I am lining up think tanks to give proposals to the canidates. Some of you might laugh but i agree the repub party is broke. it must be fixed. 4 years ago the Dems where broke they turned it around.

I have already spoken to a few donors and I have a week to put my proposal together.
Maybe you could call it... ummm.... "The Contract with America."
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Lars,

Contract with America was so 1994. I hope we compete in all districts in 2010 and that would be 435 house reublicans. I want to train, professionally develop and educate 30 Vets to run in targetted districts. I know a few people that know how to get ahold of Newt. I have two millionaires in NC lined up. The repubs will have close to 180 incumbents in 2010 so my 30 is a small portion. I picked 30 before the ass-kicking last night. I might have to adjust it to 45. That just requires more money.

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To me, it comes down to the fact she was picked to "rally the base". Typically, VP's are picked to get the independent vote and even some of the vote from the other party because the base is already "rallied". Sarah Palin was picked to rally the 30% the mccain camp should have had, and biden was picked to attract the 70% that obama didn't have -- that's the difference in the race.
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HOG,

I am starting the National Veterans Leadership Council

I plan to run 30 veterans fro the house in 2010. The bad news is picking up 30 seats in 2010 will not get the house back. maybe it will get the party back.

national security
Fiscal responsibility
Energy Independence
Leadership

I am seriously starting this organization or arm of the republican party no neo-cons allowed. I hope to get in touch with Newt and have him assist. I plan to offer training sessions for the canidates and there camp managers. I am lining up think tanks to give proposals to the canidates. Some of you might laugh but i agree the repub party is broke. it must be fixed. 4 years ago the Dems where broke they turned it around.

I have already spoken to a few donors and I have a week to put my proposal together.
Sounds like a start. You need to give some thought to getting in touch with the Ron Paul people. You can check his campaign for liberty website for a list of local people.
Of course you might have a problem with some of the RP people considering that seem to believe that having robust national security means that we need to be fighting people in thier own coutries. It is worth a shot though.
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We have the RP people down here in NC. I stay the fuck away from them. Hog you are a paulite and seem resonable. Many Paulites are not capable of discussing issues just consider there view correct and any opposing view ignorant. One elecion one administration will not change anything. The hand of power moves slow. I agree with about 50% of what RP says but thn it just gets goofy. The Black helicopters and we where behind 9/11.
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Bush hurt, but Palin was definitely a huge factor in bringing people to the polls for Obama.

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But the tide had long turned. An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll in October showed she had become a bigger drag on McCain than President Bush, with voters citing her qualifications as their primary concern.

A CNN poll released last weekend showed Palin's unfavorable ratings were twice as high as when McCain picked her, and 57 percent of Americans believed she didn't have the personal qualities a president needed.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/05/palin.campaign.anatomy/index.html
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We have the RP people down here in NC. I stay the fuck away from them. Hog you are a paulite and seem resonable. Many Paulites are not capable of discussing issues just consider there view correct and any opposing view ignorant. One elecion one administration will not change anything. The hand of power moves slow. I agree with about 50% of what RP says but thn it just gets goofy. The Black helicopters and we where behind 9/11.
I don't know that I would consider myself a full on Paulite, though I am moving in that direction. Perhaps that is why you find me reasonable. Despite you differences with them though, perhaps you could find some common ground.
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Hog,

I am lookimg to run Veterans I know the paulites claim he raised so much military money and all but I have not met to many Veteran Paulites. I am not arrogant enough to think I HAVE THE POWER TO FIX THE republican party. I am just hoping to prepare veterans for the house.

The Republicans have lost leadership. I believe McCain will finish out his term and go away.
Name three Republicans that show leadership in the senate.

The republican party needs leaders. The Military is a great place to find them.
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Hog,

I am lookimg to run Veterans I know the paulites claim he raised so much military money and all but I have not met to many Veteran Paulites. I am not arrogant enough to think I HAVE THE POWER TO FIX THE republican party. I am just hoping to prepare veterans for the house.

The Republicans have lost leadership. I believe McCain will finish out his term and go away.
Name three Republicans that show leadership in the senate.

The republican party needs leaders. The Military is a great place to find them.
BG, I think I heard a stat on CNN last night that the presidential candidate with the better war record has lost the last 6 elections (or something to that effect).

Why do you think this is? Is it just one of those meaningless coincedences?
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Dreach,

1992 Bush (The Good One) was a victim of his own success. He did such a great job on Foreign policy that all the focus came on the Domestic front

1996 Bob Dole- I have met Sen Dole he is very funny. Somehow he came across very stiff on the trail and never really went after Clinton. Bo was probably to honorable to win the white house. Plus he had respect but never had a following.

2000 Al Gore A vet but as a reporter. He just never lit a fire under anyone. Al Gore is just boring

2004 John Kerry a war hero. He served and was awarded many medals so by definition he was a war hero. His actions after the war is what hurt him among Vets. Many veterans really felt betrayed by his antics when he returned. 2004 the dems run Bob Kerry instead and he would have won.

2008 Sen McCain I probaly cannot offer unbiased comments on this but it was a change year.

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Hog,

I am lookimg to run Veterans I know the paulites claim he raised so much military money and all but I have not met to many Veteran Paulites. I am not arrogant enough to think I HAVE THE POWER TO FIX THE republican party. I am just hoping to prepare veterans for the house.

The Republicans have lost leadership. I believe McCain will finish out his term and go away.
Name three Republicans that show leadership in the senate.

The republican party needs leaders. The Military is a great place to find them.
BG, I think I heard a stat on CNN last night that the presidential candidate with the better war record has lost the last 6 elections (or something to that effect).

Why do you think this is? Is it just one of those meaningless coincedences?
...i heard that too and thought that was really interesting...you definitely never would have thought that...

...maybe it comes down to the fact that the candidate usually runs on their war record and therefore the general public feels that the candidate is not addressing the real issues in that particular race...
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Hog,

I am lookimg to run Veterans I know the paulites claim he raised so much military money and all but I have not met to many Veteran Paulites. I am not arrogant enough to think I HAVE THE POWER TO FIX THE republican party. I am just hoping to prepare veterans for the house.

The Republicans have lost leadership. I believe McCain will finish out his term and go away.
Name three Republicans that show leadership in the senate.

The republican party needs leaders. The Military is a great place to find them.
BG, I think I heard a stat on CNN last night that the presidential candidate with the better war record has lost the last 6 elections (or something to that effect).

Why do you think this is? Is it just one of those meaningless coincedences?
I heard it, and after thinking it through for two minutes, realized it was just the rambling of an ignorant broadcasting buffoon.

Bush1, recession came at the perfect time to give Billy-Jeff an opening
Dole, American economy was doing well, and Billy-Jeff benefited from the Republican congress getting stuff done
Gore, is being a reporter more impressive than flying jets for the guard? I dunno
Kerry, were all of the Swift Boaters lying, and why did he throw US soldiers under the bus with slanderous accusations?
McCain, war hero, right about the surge, overall not a very good candidate

Sometimes it's not a good idea to give a microphone to an idiot.
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Why do you think this is? Is it just one of those meaningless coincedences?
I think it is coincidence.

Let's keep in mind that being in the military doesn't necessarily qualify you for a role in gov't. I absolutely have a great deal of respect for veterans. And I think the military does build leadership qualities. But remember, there have been quality presidents and legislators who have never wore a uniform, and there have been some absolutely terrible Presidents that were military men (US Grant anyone). In the end I think the man and the ideals are more important that past occupation.
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Why do you think this is? Is it just one of those meaningless coincedences?
I think it is coincidence.

Let's keep in mind that being in the military doesn't necessarily qualify you for a role in gov't. I absolutely have a great deal of respect for veterans. And I think the military does build leadership qualities. But remember, there have been quality presidents and legislators who have never wore a uniform, and there have been some absolutely terrible Presidents that were military men (US Grant anyone). In the end I think the man and the ideals are more important that past occupation.
Robert Byrd former KKK supports Obama. Past occupations I guess really don't matter all that much.
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Why do you think this is? Is it just one of those meaningless coincedences?
I think it is coincidence.

Let's keep in mind that being in the military doesn't necessarily qualify you for a role in gov't. I absolutely have a great deal of respect for veterans. And I think the military does build leadership qualities. But remember, there have been quality presidents and legislators who have never wore a uniform, and there have been some absolutely terrible Presidents that were military men (US Grant anyone). In the end I think the man and the ideals are more important that past occupation.
Robert Byrd former KKK supports Obama. Past occupations I guess really don't matter all that much.
Byrd gets a pass because he honestly doesn't remember any of his KKK days.
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