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Old_School Nov 5 2008, 08:53 PM Post #16
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You people are completely mangling my words. Nobody over the age of 18 who fulfills whatever local requirements there are should be barred from voting. There's a difference between barring somebody from voting and not encouraging somebody to vote. Come on, you guys know me better than that. You really think I'd advocate the government setting up some arbitrary blockade to a group of people's right to vote? Seriously?! Get the fuck outta here...

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The ignorant masses can vote for whomever they want.They shouldn't be encouraged, however. If they don't know what they're voting for, they should stay home. This isn't to say that this should be enforced by government dictate, but they should feel obligated to either actually delve into the issues or stay the fuck home. The media should NOT be encouraging everybody and their mom, no matter how uninformed they may be, to go out and 'rock the vote'. This is why we keep seeing our civil liberties, economic freedoms, and value of our dollar being eroded, because we willingly throw ourselves into the arms of tyrants through under-informed voters.
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Los Angeles county had an 82% turnout... that's more than 3.5 million votes. Pretty impressive. I was afraid that many would not show up at the polls after results from the east coast started pouring in at 4pm here.
That's horrifying. I am still flabbergasted as to how anyone can see such a high voter turnout as a good thing, knowing the makeup of the crowds included a huge number of completely uninformed, ignorant voters.
as opposed to ignorant, uniformed, uneducated rednecks?

Maybe you would be happier if you moved to Austria.
Uhh....Dumbass, I rant about ignorant voters in general, not just about the ones in your neck of the woods. If you used your brain once in a while to think things through or to comprehend my posts, you'd understand that. Everybody else on this board knows where I'm coming from, why do you have such a difficult time understanding my posts?
so which groups of people would you start denying the right to vote?
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unbelievable. the same people that criticize people who don't vote, are now criticizing them because they do vote. heaven forbid people participate in a democracy..
Uhh....what?

Way to falsely assume America is a democracy. A+ on that one bud.
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OldSchool, I think the reason your post struck a nerve with some of our liberal (in the modern sense) friends, is they depended on ignorant, young and black voters to turn out in record numbers and support Obama.
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pretty un-American to say someone has more of a right to vote than another
Old School has never said (other than in jest) that ignorant people don't have a "right" vote. He has said that ignorant voting should not be encouraged, and I don't know how anyone could disagree with that.
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unbelievable. the same people that criticize people who don't vote, are now criticizing them because they do vote. heaven forbid people participate in a democracy..
bzzzzzzzzzzzzz.............WRONG. We aren't a democracy....recite the pledge to yourself before you respond. Or you can go here and read the constitution if you like.
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OldSchool, I think the reason your post struck a nerve with some of our liberal (in the modern sense) friends, is they depended on ignorant, young and black voters to turn out in record numbers and support Obama.
The thing is that it's not even about 'black voters' in particular. I don't give a shit what color, gender, political affiliation, whatever somebody is, if they're voting based on nothing, they're doing a great disservice to this country, simple as that.

I witness firsthand the unholy infatuation an absurd number of people in college have with Obama. People I've known since high school and earlier, people I know to not know a goddamn thing about politics, economics, foreign affairs, etc. They friggin' love the guy! When I try to question them as to why they support him, they spout the hope and change line, completely meaningless rhetoric. These kids have no fucking clue what they're for. Of course there are a great deal of McCain supporters who do the same thing, but definitely not as many as the Obama supporters. It truly sickens me to see these fools being ENCOURAGED in every sense of the word to get out and vote even though they couldn't tell their left shoe from their right when it comes to any subject of actual meaning.
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pretty un-American to say someone has more of a right to vote than another
Old School has never said (other than in jest) that ignorant people don't have a "right" vote. He has said that ignorant voting should not be encouraged, and I don't know how anyone could disagree with that.
This was your post from another thread

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Summary of my blabbing:

1) Focus on spreading conservative values to all voters
2) Keep your base
3) Turn out the vote
4) Utilize technology
5) Create simple talking points for each voter segment, then turn out a force to install them
6) Throw support behind the best candidates for the party, not just the best candidate for the local GOP chair.


So which is it? Encourage voter turnout or not?
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pretty un-American to say someone has more of a right to vote than another
Old School has never said (other than in jest) that ignorant people don't have a "right" vote. He has said that ignorant voting should not be encouraged, and I don't know how anyone could disagree with that.
This was your post from another thread

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Summary of my blabbing:

1) Focus on spreading conservative values to all voters
2) Keep your base
3) Turn out the vote
4) Utilize technology
5) Create simple talking points for each voter segment, then turn out a force to install them
6) Throw support behind the best candidates for the party, not just the best candidate for the local GOP chair.


So which is it? Encourage voter turnout or not?
what the fuck is wrong with you? Didn't you read the rest of the same post that you pasted? I spoke IN FUCKING DETAIL about the strategy of getting your BASE out to vote for you. It is one thing to get them to like what you say, and the next challenge is making sure they vote. My "turn out the vote" comment was a summary of my detailed comments, which is why I labeled it "Summary of my blabbing:". Never did I say anything about encouraging ignorant voting....my whole post was the EXACT OPPOSITE of that, you jackass. If you want to nit-pick at me, you had better get your fucking facts straight and actually take the time to read the posts....hell you might even learn something. Otherwise you can just look like damn moron!!!
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pretty un-American to say someone has more of a right to vote than another
Old School has never said (other than in jest) that ignorant people don't have a "right" vote. He has said that ignorant voting should not be encouraged, and I don't know how anyone could disagree with that.
This was your post from another thread

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Summary of my blabbing:

1) Focus on spreading conservative values to all voters
2) Keep your base
3) Turn out the vote
4) Utilize technology
5) Create simple talking points for each voter segment, then turn out a force to install them
6) Throw support behind the best candidates for the party, not just the best candidate for the local GOP chair.


So which is it? Encourage voter turnout or not?
what the fuck is wrong with you? Didn't you read the rest of the same post that you pasted? I spoke IN FUCKING DETAIL about the strategy of getting your BASE out to vote for you. It is one thing to get them to like what you say, and the next challenge is making sure they vote. My "turn out the vote" comment was a summary of my detailed comments, which is why I labeled it "Summary of my blabbing:". Never did I say anything about encouraging ignorant voting....my whole post was the EXACT OPPOSITE of that, you jackass. If you want to nit-pick at me, you had better get your fucking facts straight and actually take the time to read the posts....hell you might even learn something. Otherwise you can just look like damn moron!!!
Wow. Did anyone else know that when you call Aaron out he throws a temper tantrum?
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pretty un-American to say someone has more of a right to vote than another
Old School has never said (other than in jest) that ignorant people don't have a "right" vote. He has said that ignorant voting should not be encouraged, and I don't know how anyone could disagree with that.
This was your post from another thread

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Summary of my blabbing:

1) Focus on spreading conservative values to all voters
2) Keep your base
3) Turn out the vote
4) Utilize technology
5) Create simple talking points for each voter segment, then turn out a force to install them
6) Throw support behind the best candidates for the party, not just the best candidate for the local GOP chair.


So which is it? Encourage voter turnout or not?
Ok folks, I know you are not this thick. If you try to run a political campaign, your main goal is to get your candidate, in this case candidate A, elected. You do this by turning out the vote of those people likely to support candidate A.

However, if you have no 'dog' in the fight, why would you want someone whom is utterly clueless about the candidates walking into the polls and casting a vote based on what their fortune cookie at lunch says? Part of the 'turning out the vote' is properly educating sympathetic voters about your candidate du jour.

I see no problem with Aaron holding both things as true.
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pretty un-American to say someone has more of a right to vote than another
Old School has never said (other than in jest) that ignorant people don't have a "right" vote. He has said that ignorant voting should not be encouraged, and I don't know how anyone could disagree with that.
This was your post from another thread

Quote:
 
Summary of my blabbing:

1) Focus on spreading conservative values to all voters
2) Keep your base
3) Turn out the vote
4) Utilize technology
5) Create simple talking points for each voter segment, then turn out a force to install them
6) Throw support behind the best candidates for the party, not just the best candidate for the local GOP chair.


So which is it? Encourage voter turnout or not?
what the fuck is wrong with you? Didn't you read the rest of the same post that you pasted? I spoke IN FUCKING DETAIL about the strategy of getting your BASE out to vote for you. It is one thing to get them to like what you say, and the next challenge is making sure they vote. My "turn out the vote" comment was a summary of my detailed comments, which is why I labeled it "Summary of my blabbing:". Never did I say anything about encouraging ignorant voting....my whole post was the EXACT OPPOSITE of that, you jackass. If you want to nit-pick at me, you had better get your fucking facts straight and actually take the time to read the posts....hell you might even learn something. Otherwise you can just look like damn moron!!!
Wow. Did anyone else know that when you call Aaron out he throws a temper tantrum?
bad mood, bad day, and you didn't "call me out", you tried to mince my words into a hypocritical statement, when in fact it was the exact opposite. We aren't running for office in here....there is really no reason to do that, except for immature urges. It does nothing to advance the conversation. If you made a mistake and misquoted me or misunderstood me, than I apologize, but given your continual attacks on me, I certainly didn't think that was the case.
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pretty un-American to say someone has more of a right to vote than another
Old School has never said (other than in jest) that ignorant people don't have a "right" vote. He has said that ignorant voting should not be encouraged, and I don't know how anyone could disagree with that.
This was your post from another thread

Quote:
 
Summary of my blabbing:

1) Focus on spreading conservative values to all voters
2) Keep your base
3) Turn out the vote
4) Utilize technology
5) Create simple talking points for each voter segment, then turn out a force to install them
6) Throw support behind the best candidates for the party, not just the best candidate for the local GOP chair.


So which is it? Encourage voter turnout or not?
Ok folks, I know you are not this thick. If you try to run a political campaign, your main goal is to get your candidate, in this case candidate A, elected. You do this by turning out the vote of those people likely to support candidate A.

However, if you have no 'dog' in the fight, why would you want someone whom is utterly clueless about the candidates walking into the polls and casting a vote based on what their fortune cookie at lunch says? Part of the 'turning out the vote' is properly educating sympathetic voters about your candidate du jour.

I see no problem with Aaron holding both things as true.
well, you said it a lot nicer than I did :$
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The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism.
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pretty un-American to say someone has more of a right to vote than another
Old School has never said (other than in jest) that ignorant people don't have a "right" vote. He has said that ignorant voting should not be encouraged, and I don't know how anyone could disagree with that.
This was your post from another thread

Quote:
 
Summary of my blabbing:

1) Focus on spreading conservative values to all voters
2) Keep your base
3) Turn out the vote
4) Utilize technology
5) Create simple talking points for each voter segment, then turn out a force to install them
6) Throw support behind the best candidates for the party, not just the best candidate for the local GOP chair.


So which is it? Encourage voter turnout or not?
Ok folks, I know you are not this thick. If you try to run a political campaign, your main goal is to get your candidate, in this case candidate A, elected. You do this by turning out the vote of those people likely to support candidate A.

However, if you have no 'dog' in the fight, why would you want someone whom is utterly clueless about the candidates walking into the polls and casting a vote based on what their fortune cookie at lunch says? Part of the 'turning out the vote' is properly educating sympathetic voters about your candidate du jour.

I see no problem with Aaron holding both things as true.
well, you said it a lot nicer than I did :$
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well, you said it a lot nicer than I did :$
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