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hoosierinhogville Nov 6 2008, 02:46 PM Post #46
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I tolerate alot of your shit because you seem passionate. Sen McCain is a man of principles. His policies might differ from yours be he is a man of ideals. You can bash his ideas all day long do not dare attack him as a person.
Old School can feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think he was necessarily talking about McCain as a person, I think he was talking about his political ideals.
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....I'm still waiting on somebody to explain to me how the ignorant masses voting is a good thing...
If they would vot for your guy, you would think it's a good thing.
False. I dealt with a fair share of ignorant Ron Paul "supporters" who only supported him because it was a cool thing to do. I grilled these people. It ripped my heart out to meet a proclaimed RP supporter only to find out upon talking to them that they had no idea what they were talking about.

When I went door to door in the middle of snowstorms in Michigan right before their primary last December/January, I carried around a briefcase full of information. I printed off numerous copies of various articles Ron Paul had written about certain issues and when people showed interest I loaded them up with reading material. My main goal was to educate. Getting people out to vote was only secondary. Remember, the entire campaign was about the message, not the man, something McCain and Obama supporters wouldn't understand as these men lack bedrock principles.
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Please don't spend your time responding to NLA on this one. My blood pressure jumped a few points, and we don't need you keeling over from an aneurysm.
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Getting people out to vote was only secondary. Remember, the entire campaign was about the message, not the man, something McCain and Obama supporters wouldn't understand as these men lack bedrock principles.[/quote]

Hog,

he said McCain lacked bedrock primciples. being against torture a principle. Believing must win a war principle. McCain took stands on issues he believed in the RNC fucked him up. I know many people upset with the RNC. I agree the RNC is politically bankrupt is showed on Tuesday. I believe their is a differnece between McCain supporters and paid staffers. I believe JSM as the supporters call him and Sen. McCain as the staffers called him. I supported JSM. I will find out in a month if I was right. I am startig an Republican veteran organization. I will see if he was real or not if he and his true friends back me in my new cause. So far they say they will. i hope I can pull it off. Big task but the republican party needs a grassroots movement not just a RNC backed one.
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....I'm still waiting on somebody to explain to me how the ignorant masses voting is a good thing...
If they would vot for your guy, you would think it's a good thing.
False. I dealt with a fair share of ignorant Ron Paul "supporters" who only supported him because it was a cool thing to do. I grilled these people. It ripped my heart out to meet a proclaimed RP supporter only to find out upon talking to them that they had no idea what they were talking about.

When I went door to door in the middle of snowstorms in Michigan right before their primary last December/January, I carried around a briefcase full of information. I printed off numerous copies of various articles Ron Paul had written about certain issues and when people showed interest I loaded them up with reading material. My main goal was to educate. Getting people out to vote was only secondary. Remember, the entire campaign was about the message, not the man, something McCain and Obama supporters wouldn't understand as these men lack bedrock principles.
Old school,

I tolerate alot of your shit because you seem passionate. Sen McCain is a man of principles. His policies might differ from yours be he is a man of ideals. You can bash his ideas all day long do not dare attack him as a person.
I knew when I was writing that statement that you'd get on my back. I was rushed, so I didn't have time to properly express my thoughts. When I say man of principle, I wasn't referring to personal principle, of which McCain has a great deal. I was talking about political principle. You can always tell which way Ron Paul will vote or how he feels (on a political, not necessarily personal level) on the issues. For example, he detests drug use, but he would never dream of supporting anti-drug legislation.

McCain and Obama are status quo politicians in that their opinions can be shaped by outside influences. Ron Paul's, try as you might, cannot.

To summarize, I wasn't trying to bash McCain on a personal level whatsoever. I respect his service to the country no matter how much I disagree with his reasoning behind it.
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....I'm still waiting on somebody to explain to me how the ignorant masses voting is a good thing...
If they would vot for your guy, you would think it's a good thing.
False. I dealt with a fair share of ignorant Ron Paul "supporters" who only supported him because it was a cool thing to do. I grilled these people. It ripped my heart out to meet a proclaimed RP supporter only to find out upon talking to them that they had no idea what they were talking about.

When I went door to door in the middle of snowstorms in Michigan right before their primary last December/January, I carried around a briefcase full of information. I printed off numerous copies of various articles Ron Paul had written about certain issues and when people showed interest I loaded them up with reading material. My main goal was to educate. Getting people out to vote was only secondary. Remember, the entire campaign was about the message, not the man, something McCain and Obama supporters wouldn't understand as these men lack bedrock principles.
I still don't understand what you are proposing, "Old Wise One"

Which Americans should be denied the right to vote? I'm tired of your "ignorant masses" rants.
Seriously? Surely you're not.
I'm speechless Frank. I'm so flabbergasted by NLA's comprehension and reasoning skills that I just put on a show right here in the middle of the computer lab at my school by slapping my head and staring at the screen in sheer befuddlement.

I love how you always pop in randomly during my spats with NLA and call him out, I find it hilarious.
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....I'm still waiting on somebody to explain to me how the ignorant masses voting is a good thing...
We've all said on here at some point that voters should learn about their candidates before voting. But where does the responsibility of the candidate lie?

Let's say the voter saw 5 McCain TV ads and 5 Obama ads. The 5 McCain ads were all about how Obama is friends with Ayers and we don't know enough about him to elect him President. And the 5 Obama ads were all about McCain agreeing with Bush all the time and how we can't afford 4 more years of dead policies.

Who is at fault in this situation? The voter or the candidates? Clearly the voter is not off the hook if they don't make the effort to learn more about the candidates, but I believe the candidates hold a huge amount of responsibility in CREATING ignorant voters.

The fact is EVERY voter is exposed to SOMETHING from each candidate. If that something is non-informative, it's not the voters fault. The cadidates purposely make it difficult to learn about their policies by being extremely vague when they actually do talk policies.

You keep saying we shouldn't encourage ignorant voters, but we need to stop encouraging candidates to be non-informative before we can even hope to end up with non-ignorant voters.
Simple. If a voter doesn't feel that he or she knows enough about the issues to cast a well-informed vote, they should choose one of the two options: get more informed by taking the time to look into the issues themselves, or stay home.

In today's culture one is looked down upon if they don't vote, not if they don't take the time to look into the issues. Even people that know next to nothing about politics are looked down upon if they don't vote. I'm saying the government, the media, friends, family, churches, etc should first and foremost encourage voters to educate themselves and THEN vote, not vote whether they're educated or not. If people don't want to take the time to look into the issues for themselves, they shouldn't feel an overwhelming sense of pressure to go out and do "their duty and constitutional right" and vote. Rather, they should feel discouraged from voting because they don't know what they're talking about.

Higher voter turnout is NOT necessarily a good thing.

You won't find me disagreeing that the candidates should be far more informative and actually speak on the causes of the problems rather than looking for band-aid solutions for once. That's what I've been saying since day one. In the same breath, it's rare to find candidates like this working within the confines of the "two" party system because both major parties work tirelessly to uphold the status quo.
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I tolerate alot of your shit because you seem passionate. Sen McCain is a man of principles. His policies might differ from yours be he is a man of ideals. You can bash his ideas all day long do not dare attack him as a person.
Old School can feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think he was necessarily talking about McCain as a person, I think he was talking about his political ideals.
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Old_School pwns the political board.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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Thank you my Purdue supporting friend, thank you.
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Thank you my Purdue supporting friend, thank you.
You have completely spoken for me in this thread, so I'm throwing my support behind you.

That and one of these days, maybe over Thanksgiving/Christmas break, I'm going to dig into some of the Economics stuff you put on the board. Obviously, I won't know as much as you, but its interesting. Especially after what was thrown down my throat in my two Econ classes at Purdue.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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Thank you my Purdue supporting friend, thank you.
You have completely spoken for me in this thread, so I'm throwing my support behind you.

That and one of these days, maybe over Thanksgiving/Christmas break, I'm going to dig into some of the Economics stuff you put on the board. Obviously, I won't know as much as you, but its interesting. Especially after what was thrown down my throat in my two Econ classes at Purdue.
Glad to hear it! Give me a heads up when you have some free time, I'll link you to some mind-blowing things. You'll be slapping your head saying, "My God, this is pretty much what I've been thinking for years! It makes perfect sense now!"

And Cattman, don't worry, I haven't forgotten about ya. I'll hit you with some links later tonight after I get some food in me.
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....I'm still waiting on somebody to explain to me how the ignorant masses voting is a good thing...
If they would vot for your guy, you would think it's a good thing.
False. I dealt with a fair share of ignorant Ron Paul "supporters" who only supported him because it was a cool thing to do. I grilled these people. It ripped my heart out to meet a proclaimed RP supporter only to find out upon talking to them that they had no idea what they were talking about.

When I went door to door in the middle of snowstorms in Michigan right before their primary last December/January, I carried around a briefcase full of information. I printed off numerous copies of various articles Ron Paul had written about certain issues and when people showed interest I loaded them up with reading material. My main goal was to educate. Getting people out to vote was only secondary. Remember, the entire campaign was about the message, not the man, something McCain and Obama supporters wouldn't understand as these men lack bedrock principles.
I still don't understand what you are proposing, "Old Wise One"

Which Americans should be denied the right to vote? I'm tired of your "ignorant masses" rants.
Seriously? Surely you're not.
I'm speechless Frank. I'm so flabbergasted by NLA's comprehension and reasoning skills that I just put on a show right here in the middle of the computer lab at my school by slapping my head and staring at the screen in sheer befuddlement.

I love how you always pop in randomly during my spats with NLA and call him out, I find it hilarious.
I try not to, because I don't contribute that often. There's just something about his posts that leave me speechless. Like you said, I think it has to do with his,"comprehension and reasoning skills."

I guess I do it because 99% of the time I'm in complete agreement with what you've said or I at least have an understanding of the point you are making.

Hopefully you didn't end up giving yourself a concussion.
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Obviously, I won't know as much as you,
Don't doubt yourself Cam! You can be as smart as you want to be. :D
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Obviously, I won't know as much as you,
Don't doubt yourself Cam! You can be as smart as you want to be. :D
Yeah, but I won't divulge myself into as much as he obviously has.

I stick to being smarter than everyone else in regards to sports. :P
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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UB is smarter than everyone when it comes to sports

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