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dçamden03 Nov 6 2008, 08:44 PM Post #76
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Old School NLA is 50 at that point people are set into the beliefs and do not understand how anyone could disagree. NLA belives Obama has a good plan and would have done anything to defend it. Hence all the attacks on Palin and McCain. he truly saw them as in the way of his beliefs coming into effect. He is someone you should not waste time trying to persuade he is not presuadable. remember the age ladder
20's you and Dreach Idealist want radical change really believe it is best
30's lars Aaronk probably HOG Eelbor Faithful- Thoughtful or critical thinking problem solving
40's could still be like a guy in his 30's or like trouble dis-enfranchised or like NLA hell bound on defending his way of thinking.
50 and older the hardest to persuade. They rember to far back and are usually not visionaries. A huge problem in the Govt today.

NLA means well if McCain won NLA would probably agree the mindless masses voted. He got his way so he is happy.

Brum - he is his own little catergory and probably one of the few that could be persuaded. He is left slanted and has Bush fatigue.

The reason McCain did so well with the over 45 crowd they are most uncomfortable with change.

BG, I am disappointed in your last post and it's generalizations, and especially the personal claims about me.

If McCain had won the election, I would not be shouting out claims of "ignorant masses" of voters.
Regardless of who won, there were going to be masses of ignorant voters.

There were educated voters who voted for Obama. There were educated voters who voted for McCain. There were ignorant, uneducated voters who voted for Obama. There were ignorant, uneducated voters who voted for McCain.

Old_School isn't saying because you voted for Obama, you are ignorant. He is saying that many people who voted, regardless of whom they voted for, didn't have the least clue what they were voting for. I can't tell you the amount of people that I go to school with that have just rattled off media talking points and had no idea what each candidate was truly going to do.

Its a fact of life in America, there will be a lot of people who vote and don't know what the hell they are voting for. They are doing it just to do it.
I could not agree with you more.

But, what is your "solution" to this "problem". That has been my whole point throughout this thread.
I think the message should be more tailored towards research and knowing your candidate than "Rock the vote". If someone is educated and disagrees with me, thats perfectly fine. I just think it gets under people's skin when they are so adamant about a candidate and have no real knowledge.

Basically, put the emphasis on knowledge and research. I'd love to see more organizations out there that help people know about the candidates. I was somewhat interested in the election, and I myself found it hard to ever find unbiased information on each candidate.

I don't think anyone wants to take a person's right to vote away. People would just prefer that others know what they are doing, and in this election, like in many others, it doesn't seem to be the case.
so, in other words... you have no "solution" to the "problem"

I rest my case.
And you are content with uneducated people making decisions that greatly affect our country and world?

What part of "more programs to educate people" did you not get? Hell, I don't have the answers, but I sure know the problem. If you don't think this is a legitimate problem, then you are going to enjoy the fact that after Obama, you could face the uneducated to making another decision similar to Bush.

Its a fucking crap shoot right now. Lets all just pray to God that the people made a good decision. After what people chose the past 8 years, I'm not too confident.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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I will tell you the answer. Limit the tv commercials. Not the stupid debates but interactive ones that are on tv done by real unbiased people. Ones that attack just one maybe two issues and make them show real data. With actual fact checkers calling them out on BS. Have around 20 debate meetings. More than a minute sound bite on details and using the time to go off topic. The current debate system is a joke. We all know it 1 minute to discuss a topic then rebutal no fact checking no powerpoint presentations. Make the questions know a week out so people can research them. That would be boring who would watch. Instead we do a game show style camp and a catchy slogan wins not true ideas. Believe me I did a trip to Charlotte with a lady and was discussing issues and she didn't even know McCains stances. I would be at events and McCain supporters would come get me to explain his views to people. I met Obama people that didn't understand his poliicies either. People pick up talking points but talking points are not policies. I would say it is fair to say 70% of voters do not even understand the issues maybe higher. Immagration is a complex issue. Energy is a son of bitch to understand. Plus there is no right or wrong answer just theories.
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What part of "more programs to educate people" did you not get? Hell, I don't have the answers, but I sure know the problem. If you don't think this is a legitimate problem, then you are going to enjoy the fact that after Obama, you could face the uneducated to making another decision similar to Bush.

Its a fucking crap shoot right now. Lets all just pray to God that the people made a good decision. After what people chose the past 8 years, I'm not too confident.
You can take a horse to water, but you cannot make him think.

We don't need more programs to educate people. With the internet, all the information is available with a couple clicks.

We need more people willing to educate themselves on the issues.
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And you are content with uneducated people making decisions that greatly affect our country and world?

What part of "more programs to educate people" did you not get? Hell, I don't have the answers, but I sure know the problem. If you don't think this is a legitimate problem, then you are going to enjoy the fact that after Obama, you could face the uneducated to making another decision similar to Bush.

Its a fucking crap shoot right now. Lets all just pray to God that the people made a good decision. After what people chose the past 8 years, I'm not too confident.
NLA does have a point in that it's not going to happen. There's already tons of programs out there that have that information. Really, 99% of the information needed to make an educated decision is on each candidate's website. The problem is that it's extremely boring to go through.

Candidates could make their campaigns geared towards voters who want to listen to policies, except those people already look up the information they want to know. The majority of undecided voters aren't exactly the most intelligent voters anyways, so the campaigns are just geared towards those people.

News stations could do the same, except that people would just switch to a different news station. That's exactly how Fox News and MSNBC came to be. CNN was too boring, so Fox News and MSNBC popped up as news in 10 seconds stations, and now CNN is even doing the same. CSPAN deals with more real news than any of the other news stations. Now let's see a show of hands of how many people watch CSPAN every night?
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Faithful,

Not every night but I do watch it. It was the creation of a Purdue grad you know
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And you are content with uneducated people making decisions that greatly affect our country and world?

What part of "more programs to educate people" did you not get? Hell, I don't have the answers, but I sure know the problem. If you don't think this is a legitimate problem, then you are going to enjoy the fact that after Obama, you could face the uneducated to making another decision similar to Bush.

Its a fucking crap shoot right now. Lets all just pray to God that the people made a good decision. After what people chose the past 8 years, I'm not too confident.
NLA does have a point in that it's not going to happen. There's already tons of programs out there that have that information. Really, 99% of the information needed to make an educated decision is on each candidate's website. The problem is that it's extremely boring to go through.

Candidates could make their campaigns geared towards voters who want to listen to policies, except those people already look up the information they want to know. The majority of undecided voters aren't exactly the most intelligent voters anyways, so the campaigns are just geared towards those people.

News stations could do the same, except that people would just switch to a different news station. That's exactly how Fox News and MSNBC came to be. CNN was too boring, so Fox News and MSNBC popped up as news in 10 seconds stations, and now CNN is even doing the same. CSPAN deals with more real news than any of the other news stations. Now let's see a show of hands of how many people watch CSPAN every night?
So I should sit back and be content with people no clue what the hell they are voting on electing our President every 4 years? Just say "Awww shucks, thats just the way it is"? Fuck that, just because it happens and its hard to change, doesn't mean anyone should just be content with it.

Thats as much as the problem with our country as anything else IMO. The voices of so many smart, educated people get drowned out by the large amount of idiots.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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Faithful,

Not every night but I do watch it. It was the creation of a Purdue grad you know
It was kind of stupid to ask it on here, since we all obviously care a decent amount about politics.
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So I should sit back and be content with people no clue what the hell they are voting on electing our President every 4 years? Just say "Awww shucks, thats just the way it is"? Fuck that, just because it happens and its hard to change, doesn't mean anyone should just be content with it.

Thats as much as the problem with our country as anything else IMO. The voices of so many smart, educated people get drowned out by the large amount of idiots.
Well, you at least named part of the problem. The problem isn't that people aren't educated about politics; the problem is that a large majority of Americans aren't educated in general. There's a large chunk of Americans that even if they did read through every one of a candidate's proposals, they would still have no idea who to vote for.
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So I should sit back and be content with people no clue what the hell they are voting on electing our President every 4 years? Just say "Awww shucks, thats just the way it is"? Fuck that, just because it happens and its hard to change, doesn't mean anyone should just be content with it.

Thats as much as the problem with our country as anything else IMO. The voices of so many smart, educated people get drowned out by the large amount of idiots.
Well, you at least named part of the problem. The problem isn't that people aren't educated about politics; the problem is that a large majority of Americans aren't educated in general. There's a large chunk of Americans that even if they did read through every one of a candidate's proposals, they would still have no idea who to vote for.
I agree with this. In the word of Ms. Teen South Carolina, "Most Americans can't find America on a map because they don't have maps that should help The Iraq and South Africa and such as."

I'd also throw in that candidates PURPOSEFULLY make it difficult to know specifics of their plans and where they stand on every issue. So even the voter who does make a mild effort to learn a bit more has a lot of work to do if they want to learn anything.
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I'd also throw in that candidates PURPOSEFULLY make it difficult to know specifics of their plans and where they stand on every issue. So even the voter who does make a mild effort to learn a bit more has a lot of work to do if they want to learn anything.
Candidate's make their plans hard to understand for the undecided's that vote on catchphrases. There's a lot to be said for how Obama ran a nearly perfect campaign. It wasn't nearly perfect because everyone loved his policies. It was nearly perfect because he managed to talk about his policies in a way where the undecideds agreed without understanding why they agreed. That's never going to change. If you make a hard stand on an issue, all you do is lose those that disagree. A campaign is just a game to see who screw-up less.
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Yep i agree and The RNC fucked up alot.

McCain made two bad statements one a joke the other a RNC talking point.

First one a joke. I don't know alot about the economy but i have greenspans book. A joke he said it in Iowa Sept 12th 2007. I was onstage with him. It got reported later when he was back in the race.

RNC talking point "The fundementals of our economy are sound"
That was the equilivant of baghdad Bob saying the Iraqis where winnin the invasion.
Then throw in about 500 slip ups by the paid political geniuses and you have the results.
that is the funny thing in the primaries McCain let us talk all we wnated to the media. In Iowa I was following the bus and they let a LA Times reporter ride with me for like an hour and interview me. The General election name a veteran with access to the media. We had a Black Navy vet a Master Chief here in raleigh begging to be on the radio. I took him staight to the NC communications director but they never let him go on. They never once put me on local TV unless is was a scripted message at a press conference.
Obama won the media war hands down.

Obama people could stay on message and repeat Four more years of Bush over and over again
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The Republicans need to cut the evangelicals loose if that party has a chance. Plain and simple.
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Palin doesn't even know if Africa is a continent or a country, and didn't know what countries belonged to NAFTA. I guess she shouldn't be allowed to vote, even though she potentially was a heartbeat away from the Presidency.
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NLA,

That will never happen unless we change the primary system. Name on pro choice canidate that has ever won the Rep primaries in South Carolina and Iowa silly thing they do. The Christian right controls those states in the Rep primary. How do you think Bush won in the first place. Huck Finn won in Iowa. believe me the hard core Christians in Greenville South Carolina did not like McCain.
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Palin doesn't even know if Africa is a continent or a country. I guess she shouldn't be allowed to vote, even though she was a heartbeat away from the Presidency.
NLA,

I am not here to defend Princess Sarah. Remember the same selfish assclowns the RNC hired that wanted her are some of the same ones bashing her now. The media wants her destroyed so they play along. She was not McCain's first choice. He took her. McCain is very loyal maybe to a fault. Don't believe everything they report these hacks are worried about getting a job on future campaigns. Nicole Wallace, Nancy Putmyfoot in my mouth stretched neck wack job and Steve Schmidy where all RNC hires to the best of my knowledge. I never saw them in the primaries. They all came about after Feb 5th. I could be wrong but i never met them.
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