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BoilerNLA Nov 6 2008, 10:22 PM Post #91
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NLA,

That will never happen unless we change the primary system. Name on pro choice canidate that has ever won the Rep primaries in South Carolina and Iowa silly thing they do. The Christian right controls those states in the Rep primary. How do you think Bush won in the first place. Huck Finn won in Iowa. believe me the hard core Christians in Greenville South Carolina did not like McCain.
that's what I have been trying to say. If you cut the whackjob evangelicals loose and form a 3rd party, of which I am open to the concept, I am all ears!
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bg...if McCain didn't have enough control of the GOP to avoid the Palin pick, then there was trouble to begin with.

It's hard to be considered a leader when you are viewed as not even having a say in your own vice presidential pick. It's hard to be considered a good judge of a situation when he put his trust in advisors who really didn't know what they were doing. It was almost as if the whole John Kerry team was in McCain's camp this time around.
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NLA not gonna happen Tuesday was the high watermark for the Dems. I am starting my own coalition in the Rep party. I really am have a meeting set up this Saturday. The social issues you so deeply care about are deeper than the Christian right. Many non Christian right people are pro life and against gay marriage. Everyday the Dems will lose support. 2002 the peole rejected the liberal agenda. 2006 the people rejected the lack of leadership offered by the Repubs. 2008 the RNC was an absolute embarrassment. McCain had better numbers before the RNC took over the campaighn. The RNC and State level republican parties are so fucked up it is not even funny. The McCain volunteers carried the campaighn not the RNC. Once we got the nomination the RNC took over. Howard Dean was smart to let Chuck the assclown Shumer run the Senate stuff and Axelrod run team Obama. The RNC is a bunch of micromanaging has beens. Ask Aaronk he will agree. Why do you think we lost conservative minded people like Hog, Eelbor and maybe even the moderately minded ones like Faithful. My allengiance was to Senator McCain not the party. I didn't support all the rep canidates in Indiana. I really liked a congressional canidate down here. He recieved $0 from th RNC and $2000 from the state party. I wonder why he lost.
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As long as pro-life and banning gay marriage become front and center issues for the republican party, they are going to exclude a large segment of the population. Remember that exit polls showed Obama won the age groups of 18-29, 30-44, 45-64...the only age group that went to McCain was 65 and up. They have to produce a product that sells younger. Right now they are selling to a dieing base.

You can have pro-life and traditional marriage views without it being a cornerstone policy. Right now that is basically what the republican party is viewed as....until they are viewed as a fiscally responsible party one more who happens to generally support pro-life and traditional marriage, then they are going to suffer losses. Independent voters went overwhelmingly in Obama's direction.
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I will agree on abortion but not gay marriage. Obama had to back track on gay marriage. John Kerry lost on that issue in 2004. Abortion you have a point gay marriage you do not. if Obama would have been all out for gay marriage he would have lost. Hence the MSM kinda never asked him about it in a debate.
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basically every key politician and every major newspaper opposed Prop 8, including Obama, Clinton, Feintstein, our Repub Governator, etc, etc...

It was the rightwing evangelicals from other states that poured in the money for those deceptive TV and radio ads.
And yet they keep their tax exempt status. That is just wrong, IMO.
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Palin doesn't even know if Africa is a continent or a country, and didn't know what countries belonged to NAFTA. I guess she shouldn't be allowed to vote, even though she potentially was a heartbeat away from the Presidency.
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As long as pro-life and banning gay marriage become front and center issues for the republican party, they are going to exclude a large segment of the population. Remember that exit polls showed Obama won the age groups of 18-29, 30-44, 45-64...the only age group that went to McCain was 65 and up. They have to produce a product that sells younger. Right now they are selling to a dieing base.

You can have pro-life and traditional marriage views without it being a cornerstone policy. Right now that is basically what the republican party is viewed as....until they are viewed as a fiscally responsible party one more who happens to generally support pro-life and traditional marriage, then they are going to suffer losses. Independent voters went overwhelmingly in Obama's direction.
I don't really have anything to add to this; I just agreed with it enough that I thought it deserved to be on the page twice.
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Palin doesn't even know if Africa is a continent or a country, and didn't know what countries belonged to NAFTA. I guess she shouldn't be allowed to vote, even though she potentially was a heartbeat away from the Presidency.
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What's your fascination with who shouldn't be "allowed" to vote? You're the only one talking about whether people should or should not be "allowed" to vote.
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I'm not a republican...but what I am for are choices based on actual governmental policy differences as opposed to posturing on issues that shouldn't be governmental issues. I'd prefer that the republican party differentiate themselves from the democratic party through different ideas rather than different slogans. Oh, yeah, and when the rule of obviously flawed logic and lies like Bush appears, call them on it. You can say that George Bush caused the fall of the republican party the last two elections, but in reality the inability of the republican party to separate from him caused it.
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Palin doesn't even know if Africa is a continent or a country, and didn't know what countries belonged to NAFTA. I guess she shouldn't be allowed to vote, even though she potentially was a heartbeat away from the Presidency.
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What's your fascination with who shouldn't be "allowed" to vote? You're the only one talking about whether people should or should not be "allowed" to vote.
I am not fascinated by whom shouldn't be allowed to vote.

I assume your references to the "ignorant masses" tells me that you are fascinated by whom should not vote.

Correct me if I am wrong, and that you agree with our Democracy and are in favor of upholding our Constitution.

Thanks.
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I'm not a republican...but what I am for are choices based on actual governmental policy differences as opposed to posturing on issues that shouldn't be governmental issues. I'd prefer that the republican party differentiate themselves from the democratic party through different ideas rather than different slogans. Oh, yeah, and when the rule of obviously flawed logic and lies like Bush appears, call them on it. You can say that George Bush caused the fall of the republican party the last two elections, but in reality the inability of the republican party to separate from him caused it.
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I say the lack of leadership in the Rep party outside of Sen McCain is the biggest problem in the party. The establishment realized they couldn't control him so they wouldn't approve Joe L as the VP pick. That is the downfall of the party they got behind Bush in 2000 and had no leaders except McCain. he spoke truth to power and paid a huge price for it on Tuesday. The soft spined sellouts used Princess Sarah as the excuse. Palin was not the problem. The RNC leadership was the problem. I know Howard the scream Dean was the DNC chair I really have no idea who the RNC was. I never met the NCGOP party chair until Tuesday night. Was she out with the canidayes hell no she hid in some room and came out to make announcements and then went away. It was an invitiation only event and she was to good to talk to even the state house canidates. I left at 11 I don't thank see ever even thanked all the volunteers. The republican house leader introduced me to her and she was like oh thats nice.

The attacks on Palin are mostly BS just the politcos blaiming her so they work again in 2010. It is obvious with most of them when the ship is sinking they only care about themselves.
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I am not fascinated by whom shouldn't be allowed to vote.


Then why are you the only one talking about it?

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I assume your references to the "ignorant masses" tells me that you are fascinated by whom should not vote.


Fascination is the wrong word, but OK...What's your point? I've expressed my opinion that encouraging the ignorant masses to vote isn't a good thing, an opinion nearly everybody has agreed with me on.

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Correct me if I am wrong, and that you agree with our Democracy and are in favor of upholding our Constitution.


If I'm understanding you correctly, yes, you are wrong. America, as originally intended, is NOT a democracy, and that isn't even up for debate. It's not a matter of your opinion vs. my opinion, it's a matter of fact vs. fantasy island. I am in favor of upholding our Constitution though, yes. A document you obviously know very little about.

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Anytime. Making you look like a fool has become a hobby of mine it seems. B)

Oh, and on a side note, why isn't your online status public? You're the only member I know of that is an anonymous viewer of the board. Any reason for that in particular?
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bg...if McCain didn't have enough control of the GOP to avoid the Palin pick, then there was trouble to begin with.

It's hard to be considered a leader when you are viewed as not even having a say in your own vice presidential pick. It's hard to be considered a good judge of a situation when he put his trust in advisors who really didn't know what they were doing. It was almost as if the whole John Kerry team was in McCain's camp this time around.
McCain wanted Joe L. The RNC would not let him bring it to the floor and promised a walk out if he did. The establishment was against us every step of the way. Follow the money they wanted Mittens. They then brought in Fred. His efforts show he never wanted it. The RNC is full of Bushites as fallen would say. You realize we won the Nomination with a staff of less than 80 paid staffers. Obama had i believe 90 paid staffers in Indiana during the general. Did you see Dick Lugar working for McCain in Indiana??? Bush undermined us at every turn. Who exposed the housing crisis Bush. it was there but it just happened to fall apart in September after McCain took the lead. See Tom Delays statement in Jan. Rick Sandstroms statement in Jan. The republican establishment was never behind McCain. Micheal Reagon was against McCain in Jan. Mark Levin against McCain Jan. Rush Hannitty against McCain. They said in feb let him lose.
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The video which NLA is referencing for those that are interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3dkiWncf2k

Worst vp pick in history
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