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BoilerNLA Nov 7 2008, 01:30 AM Post #106
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The video which NLA is referencing for those that are interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3dkiWncf2k

Worst vp pick in history
thanks for posting that dreachon

I assumed that most folks in this forum were already aware of it, but it appears alot of sheep on here rely on this forum alone for their viewpoints on issues or on the constitution.
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Brum,

Think I am like trouble and make this stuff up.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/11/05/iraq.main/index.html

You think they finalized these plans Tuesday night. They could have released this in Mid OCT proof McCains surge worked but they waited until after the election. Bush wanted McCain to lose waited to announce troops cut until after the election

His statement last Friday that a crisis would happen regardless of whom was president

Then Cheney endorsed on Sunday
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The video which NLA is referencing for those that are interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3dkiWncf2k

Worst vp pick in history
thanks for posting that dreachon

I assumed that most folks in this forum were already aware of it, but it appears alot of sheep on here rely on this forum alone for their viewpoints on issues or on the constitution.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/06/campbell.brown.palin/index.html?iref=mpstoryview#cnnSTCVideo
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trouble,

I was referring to your conspiracy theories I do not believe you make stuff up
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Old_School Nov 7 2008, 02:41 AM Post #110
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The video which NLA is referencing for those that are interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3dkiWncf2k

Worst vp pick in history
thanks for posting that dreachon

I assumed that most folks in this forum were already aware of it, but it appears alot of sheep on here rely on this forum alone for their viewpoints on issues or on the constitution.
I hadn't seen that video yet Dreach, good post. I'm really quite confused as to what some of our fellow posters see in her.

In regard to NLA's post, I'd like you to get acquainted with kettle. Pot, this is kettle...Kettle, this is pot.
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The video which NLA is referencing for those that are interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3dkiWncf2k

Worst vp pick in history
thanks for posting that dreachon

I assumed that most folks in this forum were already aware of it, but it appears alot of sheep on here rely on this forum alone for their viewpoints on issues or on the constitution.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/06/campbell.brown.palin/index.html?iref=mpstoryview#cnnSTCVideo
That's a good little article BG.
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brumdog44 Nov 7 2008, 07:59 AM Post #112
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The video which NLA is referencing for those that are interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3dkiWncf2k

Worst vp pick in history
thanks for posting that dreachon

I assumed that most folks in this forum were already aware of it, but it appears alot of sheep on here rely on this forum alone for their viewpoints on issues or on the constitution.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/06/campbell.brown.palin/index.html?iref=mpstoryview#cnnSTCVideo
That's a good little article BG.
It shows the disarray that the GOP is currently in.

bg -- if McCain was powerless to go against what the RNC said, then the idea that he was selling that he is a 'Maverick' who can buck the system is a worthless notion. If you can't stand up to the members of your own party, then forget standing up to the rest of the world.

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Mr Gray Nov 7 2008, 11:44 AM Post #113
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of course I would like to have all voters informed on the issues, and I have never implied that it is not important to be informed.

I was only responding to Old Schools attacks on the "ignorant masses" of my geographic area, implying that people here are more ignorant than elsewhere.

This is America. Read the constitution. Each citizen has the right to vote. Period. If you think this right should be scrutinized, then I would love to hear your proposition.
Everyone has the right, that does not mean that they should exercise that right if they don't know what they are doing.

I have the right to own and carry a gun. Should I do so if I don't know how to use it and be safe with it?

I think thats somewhat of the point he is saying. Just because you have the right, doesn't mean you should exercise that right in an uninformed way.
:cheers: Great analogy. NLA still won't get it, but great point none the less :P
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Old School NLA is 50 at that point people are set into the beliefs and do not understand how anyone could disagree. NLA belives Obama has a good plan and would have done anything to defend it. Hence all the attacks on Palin and McCain. he truly saw them as in the way of his beliefs coming into effect. He is someone you should not waste time trying to persuade he is not presuadable. remember the age ladder
20's you and Dreach Idealist want radical change really believe it is best
30's lars Aaronk probably HOG Eelbor Faithful- Thoughtful or critical thinking problem solving
40's could still be like a guy in his 30's or like trouble dis-enfranchised or like NLA hell bound on defending his way of thinking.
50 and older the hardest to persuade. They rember to far back and are usually not visionaries. A huge problem in the Govt today.

NLA means well if McCain won NLA would probably agree the mindless masses voted. He got his way so he is happy.

Brum - he is his own little catergory and probably one of the few that could be persuaded. He is left slanted and has Bush fatigue.

The reason McCain did so well with the over 45 crowd they are most uncomfortable with change.

BG, I am disappointed in your last post and it's generalizations, and especially the personal claims about me.

If McCain had won the election, I would not be shouting out claims of "ignorant masses" of voters.
Regardless of who won, there were going to be masses of ignorant voters.

There were educated voters who voted for Obama. There were educated voters who voted for McCain. There were ignorant, uneducated voters who voted for Obama. There were ignorant, uneducated voters who voted for McCain.

Old_School isn't saying because you voted for Obama, you are ignorant. He is saying that many people who voted, regardless of whom they voted for, didn't have the least clue what they were voting for. I can't tell you the amount of people that I go to school with that have just rattled off media talking points and had no idea what each candidate was truly going to do.

Its a fact of life in America, there will be a lot of people who vote and don't know what the hell they are voting for. They are doing it just to do it.
wow, cam is on fire. This is very true....if there weren't masses of ignorant voters out there, neither Obama or McCain would have even been on the ticket ;)
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I'd also throw in that candidates PURPOSEFULLY make it difficult to know specifics of their plans and where they stand on every issue. So even the voter who does make a mild effort to learn a bit more has a lot of work to do if they want to learn anything.
100% agreed with this one...at least on the candidates that make it to the stage. Ron Paul gave a lot of specifics and was often laughed off stage by all of the media, not just the MSM. Generalities, empty promises, and false hope win elections right now. That being said, however, I don't agree that it HAS TO BE that way, and I do think the system could improve and go a long way towards fixing that problem.

Faithful, you and I had a discussion in regards to really reforming campaign finance, which I believe would take us well on the way to a solution.
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If I'm understanding you correctly, yes, you are wrong. America, as originally intended, is NOT a democracy, and that isn't even up for debate. It's not a matter of your opinion vs. my opinion, it's a matter of fact vs. fantasy island. I am in favor of upholding our Constitution though, yes. A document you obviously know very little about.
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The video which NLA is referencing for those that are interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3dkiWncf2k

Worst vp pick in history
thanks for posting that dreachon

I assumed that most folks in this forum were already aware of it, but it appears alot of sheep on here rely on this forum alone for their viewpoints on issues or on the constitution.
NLA, I actually watched someone on CNN talking in detail about this Wednesday and was planning on doing some research to see how much of it is true. I'm not denying any of it at this time, but so far it is just claims from McCain campaign staff, possibly bitter staff.
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I would like to point out that there were uneducated, ignorant people who voted for Bob Barr as well.

My brother-in-law claims to be a libertarian and has no idea what what libertarians believe in.
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I would like to point out that there were uneducated, ignorant people who voted for Bob Barr as well.

My brother-in-law claims to be a libertarian and has no idea what what libertarians believe in.
There is plenty of ignorance to go around. I look forward to future discussions about what different groups believe in, as long as we can make dinosaurs off limits.
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I would like to point out that there were uneducated, ignorant people who voted for Bob Barr as well.

My brother-in-law claims to be a libertarian and has no idea what what libertarians believe in.
You won't find me arguing that point one bit. Refer to one of my previous posts in which I talk about dealing with self-described Ron Paul supporters who in reality knew just as little as the Obama and McCain fanboys I decry.
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