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Eric Gordon - welcome to hell
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its called playing time idiot - gordon is undeservedly not getting any. Dumbleavey must not like him for whatever reason.
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Yup. It's definitely a personal vendetta that Dunleavy is on. He only played Gordon for 14 minutes in the season opener.

Okay, so we've narrowed the perpetrator list down to one person. Now what?
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Yup. It's definitely a personal vendetta that Dunleavy is on. He only played Gordon for 14 minutes in the season opener.

Okay, so we've narrowed the perpetrator list down to one person. Now what?
the coach dictates playing time. obviously Gordon showed promise in some preseason games yet can't get off the bench in 20 pt blowouts on a shitty team? for whatever reason, Dungleavey doesn't like him. no way there are 11 better players on the Clippers than Gordon
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So Gordon is the twefth-tallest midget, and his struggles are everyone else's fault, not his. Point taken.

Poor guy.
What struggles? He hasn't played....

And when he does struggle, which he will, it'll be because he's a 19 year old rookie. Ask Kevin Durant if he struggled in his 1st year...
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Here's an article on Gordon not playing much. Pay attention to the quote from Dunleavy, "You are going to give the vets a shot first." Notice it says nothing about Gordon being injured, disciplined, or less talented. This is what coaches do with rookies, nothing more.

Clippers first-round pick Gordon bides his time
By Ramona Shelburne, Staff Writer
Article Last Updated: 11/06/2008 07:18:33 PM PST


PLAYA VISTA - It's coming. Maybe not really soon. Maybe not even soon.

But the Clippers didn't draft shooting guard Eric Gordon the No. 7 overall pick in the 2008 NBA draft to have him sit nicely on the bench all year.

"With young guys, sometimes you have to get around the league a little bit," Clippers coach Mike Dunleavy said. "A lot of times, you're going to get short minutes at first so you have to try and make strides in practice, like (Thursday)."

Through the team's first five games, Gordon has played an averaged of 5 minutes, 24 seconds a game. His longest run came in the first game of the year, a 38-point blowout loss to the Lakers when he played nearly 14 minutes.

Since then he's played 2:09, 3:41, 3:00 and 4:11.

For a guy who has always played big minutes, and been counted on for big numbers, it's been quite an adjustment.

"I'm not used to it," Gordon said. "I'm not used to sitting down a lot. I'm used to playing a lot of minutes and getting my game flowing. But we've got a lot of veterans on this team, which doesn't always happen when you have a high draft pick. So I kinda (saw this coming).

"I know my time will come. That's what a lot of people have been telling me. I just have to wait until I get my opportunity. The main thing is, I just really don't want to have any negative impact on the team."

In other words, Gordon is OK with the situation even as fellow lottery picks like Derrick Rose, O.J. Mayo and


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Michael Beasley start every game for their respective teams.

In the meantime, he's working on his team defense and trying to refine his game.

"I think I'm a pretty good 1-on-1 defender but I probably need a little work on my off the ball defending," he said.

For his part, Dunleavy said he's been pleased with Gordon's development and attitude. But getting him playing time, at least early in the season with the Clippers' murderous early season schedule, and veterans Cuttino Mobley and Ricky Davis ahead of him in the rotation, has been difficult.

"I talk with him all the time," Dunleavy said of his interactions with Gordon. "He understands. ...We have Cat and Ricky and you're always going to give the vets a shot first."

Davis, so far, has struggled to get his game on track. He's made must five of the 22 shots (22 percent) he's taken so far this season. Over his career, he's proved to be a great scorer - averaging in double figures every season since 2001 - so Dunleavy said he's showing patience with him.

"He had a good preseason, but he's struggled some lately," Dunleavy said. "Some of it is guys not running the plays for him in the right way. That can get you into a bit of a funk. There's no magic pill you can take. Just keep working hard and work on your game."
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So Gordon is the twefth-tallest midget, and his struggles are everyone else's fault, not his. Point taken.

Poor guy.
What struggles? He hasn't played....

And when he does struggle, which he will, it'll be because he's a 19 year old rookie. Ask Kevin Durant if he struggled in his 1st year...
If he hasn't played, he is obviously struggling in practice.
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So Gordon is the twefth-tallest midget, and his struggles are everyone else's fault, not his. Point taken.

Poor guy.
What struggles? He hasn't played....

And when he does struggle, which he will, it'll be because he's a 19 year old rookie. Ask Kevin Durant if he struggled in his 1st year...
If he hasn't played, he is obviously struggling in practice.
Look, I've already given a local example of why young players might not play right away and I posted a quote from Dunleavy backing that up. At this point there is nothing more I can do. If you refuse to acknowledge the possibility that Gordon's not playing because Dunleavy doesn't want him to feel a sense of entitlement, then yer either just extremely stubborn, or are being stubborn in order to try and get under UBs skin. Either way, I'm not going to sit here and go back and forth with you when the conversation has no chance of progressing anywhere.
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He has played, and hasn't produced. As long as this continues, his minutes will continue to drop. If he produces in garbage time, he will play more.

I don't understand what the big deal is, and why there is so much Dunleavy-bashing. That's basketball.
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He has played, and hasn't produced. As long as this continues, his minutes will continue to drop. If he produces in garbage time, he will play more.

I don't understand what the big deal is, and why there is so much Dunleavy-bashing. That's basketball.
I'm not bashing Dunleavy. There are a ton of coaches who believe rookies need to sit before they play. As a Giants fan, I can tell you it was a miracle every time Bill Parcells put a rookie on the field. This is just something a lot of coaches believe. Some say it's good, some say it's bad. Obviously, each situation is different.

I just think it's crazy to be bashing the kid when he's played 5 min a game for the first 5 games.

"He has played, and hasn't produced"

What exactly would you like him to do in the 5 min/game he is getting? How much could someone possibly produce in that time? Especially when it's at the end of a blowout and the other team is just killing clock every possession? By your logic, Gordon was a superstar for 3 games this season.

2nd game - 2:09 playing time, 2 points

3rd game - 3:41 playing time, 4 points

4th game - 3:00 playing time, 2 points

Total - 8:50 playing time, 8 points

Per 48 numbers -- 43 points/game!!!

Obviously, this notion is totally ridiculous. Just like it's ridiculous to say that if he doesn't score in a 5 min span, then "he's struggling."

The kid may be out of the NBA in 2 years. He may be a superstar. He may be an average NBA player for 10 years. But why on earth are you trying to label at this point as "struggling" or a bust or anything else?
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2nd game - 2:09 playing time, 2 points

3rd game - 3:41 playing time, 4 points

4th game - 3:00 playing time, 2 points

Total - 8:50 playing time, 8 points

Per 48 numbers -- 43 points/game!!!




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Just like it's ridiculous to say that if he doesn't score in a 5 min span, then "he's struggling."

That's not what I said. I said he played for 14 minutes in the opener and didn't produce, so his minutes have dropped. He will have plenty of opportunity to get them back. Either by producing in garbage time, or earning it on the practice court.

I never said that YOU bashed Dunleavy...but others on this board have.
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Others as in UB.

I believe the whole Clippers organization is in disarray.
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I realize that this thread is mostly a pissing contest, but has anyone discussed the potential impact that Baron Davis could make on Eric Gordon? I'm an IU guy, but haven't been big on Gordon since he started chucking up bricks the entire 2nd half of last season (sorry UB, but Sampson had nothing to do with the fact that Gordon just couldn't shoot all of a sudden whether he was open or not), but I see Baron Davis as a very similar type of player. Gordon could learn a lot from him if both are willing.
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So Gordon is the twefth-tallest midget, and his struggles are everyone else's fault, not his. Point taken.

Poor guy.
What struggles? He hasn't played....

And when he does struggle, which he will, it'll be because he's a 19 year old rookie. Ask Kevin Durant if he struggled in his 1st year...
If he hasn't played, he is obviously struggling in practice.
Look, I've already given a local example of why young players might not play right away and I posted a quote from Dunleavy backing that up. At this point there is nothing more I can do. If you refuse to acknowledge the possibility that Gordon's not playing because Dunleavy doesn't want him to feel a sense of entitlement, then yer either just extremely stubborn, or are being stubborn in order to try and get under UBs skin. Either way, I'm not going to sit here and go back and forth with you when the conversation has no chance of progressing anywhere.
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I wouldn't say that Gordon was uncoachable at IU....but I will say he wasn't coached. It wasn't Gordon who walked out when Sampson left, was it?

Anyway, Gordon played his best game of the year today going 4 of 8 from the field (3 of 4 from three), scoring 11 points in 30 minutes.

It's waaayyyyy early and nothing is ever decided 7 games into a career. So far:

74 minutes, 8 of 21 from the field, 5 of 9 from 3, 7 of 8 from the line, 3 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 steals, 8 turnovers, 28 points.
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