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Obama positives; for the anti-Obama crowd
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rikker68 Nov 10 2008, 02:04 AM Post #46
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that cunt will slip into oblivion.
real classy bri....way to be respectful
I'll second that too!
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Another bonus, He made the resale of old Obama political yard signs a lucrative proposition.
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I like the fact he is not from Texas.
Hey now...Ron Paul was from Texas.
But he left. You can choose where you are born, but you can choose to leave.

IU fans don't hold anyone responsible for being born in West Lafayette...if they stay, that's another matter.
He left? He was actually born in Pennsylvania, but has been a congressman in Texas for over 20 years. There's nothing wrong with Texas, LBJ and Bush were both just godawful presidents (LBJ was worse).
What you're saying LBJ's "Great Society" was a mistake??? :ermm:
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I like the fact he is not from Texas.
Hey now...Ron Paul was from Texas.
But he left. You can choose where you are born, but you can choose to leave.

IU fans don't hold anyone responsible for being born in West Lafayette...if they stay, that's another matter.
He left? He was actually born in Pennsylvania, but has been a congressman in Texas for over 20 years. There's nothing wrong with Texas, LBJ and Bush were both just godawful presidents (LBJ was worse).
What you're saying LBJ's "Great Society" was a mistake??? :ermm:
Old_School and I may differ a little on the rankings here, but I say LBJ is the 2nd worse president in American History in terms of the after-effect of their policies on the nation, ranking behind FDR and in front of Lincoln.

Don't get me wrong....I don't necessarily think that FDR & Lincoln were "bad" people with "bad" intentions at all, but I think the side affects of their efforts to fix societal problems of their time have severely hurt America. LBJ...well, he was just a bad person!!!
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I like the fact he is not from Texas.
Hey now...Ron Paul was from Texas.
But he left. You can choose where you are born, but you can choose to leave.

IU fans don't hold anyone responsible for being born in West Lafayette...if they stay, that's another matter.
He left? He was actually born in Pennsylvania, but has been a congressman in Texas for over 20 years. There's nothing wrong with Texas, LBJ and Bush were both just godawful presidents (LBJ was worse).
What you're saying LBJ's "Great Society" was a mistake??? :ermm:
Old_School and I may differ a little on the rankings here, but I say LBJ is the 2nd worse president in American History in terms of the after-effect of their policies on the nation, ranking behind FDR and in front of Lincoln.

Don't get me wrong....I don't necessarily think that FDR & Lincoln were "bad" people with "bad" intentions at all, but I think the side affects of their efforts to fix societal problems of their time have severely hurt America. LBJ...well, he was just a bad person!!!
I know. "That side effect" of Lincoln freeing the slaves ended up giving us equal rights and a black President. What a jerk!


In all seriousness though, Bush isn't in your top 3?
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Slightly behind Fillmore and Buchanon, IMHO.
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I like the fact he is not from Texas.
Hey now...Ron Paul was from Texas.
But he left. You can choose where you are born, but you can choose to leave.

IU fans don't hold anyone responsible for being born in West Lafayette...if they stay, that's another matter.
He left? He was actually born in Pennsylvania, but has been a congressman in Texas for over 20 years. There's nothing wrong with Texas, LBJ and Bush were both just godawful presidents (LBJ was worse).
What you're saying LBJ's "Great Society" was a mistake??? :ermm:
Old_School and I may differ a little on the rankings here, but I say LBJ is the 2nd worse president in American History in terms of the after-effect of their policies on the nation, ranking behind FDR and in front of Lincoln.

Don't get me wrong....I don't necessarily think that FDR & Lincoln were "bad" people with "bad" intentions at all, but I think the side affects of their efforts to fix societal problems of their time have severely hurt America. LBJ...well, he was just a bad person!!!
I know. "That side effect" of Lincoln freeing the slaves ended up giving us equal rights and a black President. What a jerk!


In all seriousness though, Bush isn't in your top 3?
I think that it is great that we have a minority President...I just wish it was one that I agreed with more on issues. Freeing the slaves was the "direct effect" of Lincoln. The side effect was the beginning of the end of States rights. Many other nations & states had peacefully ended slavery, and I believe that would have happened with our southern states as well, without creating the monster now knows as the Federal Government.

Bush doesn't make my top 3 worst Presidents. He lowered taxes (not low enough, but he didn't raise them) and he appointed Alito to the SC, which I approve of. I am not in favor of the war, No Child Left Behind, or the fact that he has increased the national debt by 70% since 2000, but he still doesn't make my top 3.
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Fair enough, but I think in the course of history Bush will go down as one of the 3 worst.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/10/bush.transition.poll/index.html
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Fair enough, but I think in the course of history Bush will go down as one of the 3 worst.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/10/bush.transition.poll/index.html
If Iraq is viewed as a long term success, and helps lead the Middle East out of the dark ages, Bush will be graded as middle of the pack.

If the current economic crisis turns into a depression, the Democrats should be remembered as the party that deserves the most blame.
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This a bit of a stretch but he would contrast better on a black and white tv.
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Fair enough, but I think in the course of history Bush will go down as one of the 3 worst.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/10/bush.transition.poll/index.html
If Iraq is viewed as a long term success, and helps lead the Middle East out of the dark ages, Bush will be graded as middle of the pack.

If the current economic crisis turns into a depression, the Democrats should be remembered as the party that deserves the most blame.
Question Lars,

If the Dems are to blame for deregulating Fannie and Freddie, and all these people knew we were going to have the sub-prime loan crisis, why didn't Bush reregulate them? He had control of the house and senate his first two years. He had support at the time. IF it was so obvious, he should have fixed it before it broke. Everyone is to blame for this mess.
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Fair enough, but I think in the course of history Bush will go down as one of the 3 worst.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/10/bush.transition.poll/index.html
If Iraq is viewed as a long term success, and helps lead the Middle East out of the dark ages, Bush will be graded as middle of the pack.

If the current economic crisis turns into a depression, the Democrats should be remembered as the party that deserves the most blame.
Question Lars,

If the Dems are to blame for deregulating Fannie and Freddie, and all these people knew we were going to have the sub-prime loan crisis, why didn't Bush reregulate them? He had control of the house and senate his first two years. He had support at the time. IF it was so obvious, he should have fixed it before it broke. Everyone is to blame for this mess.
The sub-prime mortgages that lead to this disaster were not generated prior to 2002, therefore there really was no large problem to address
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Fair enough, but I think in the course of history Bush will go down as one of the 3 worst.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/10/bush.transition.poll/index.html
If Iraq is viewed as a long term success, and helps lead the Middle East out of the dark ages, Bush will be graded as middle of the pack.

If the current economic crisis turns into a depression, the Democrats should be remembered as the party that deserves the most blame.
Question Lars,

If the Dems are to blame for deregulating Fannie and Freddie, and all these people knew we were going to have the sub-prime loan crisis, why didn't Bush reregulate them? He had control of the house and senate his first two years. He had support at the time. IF it was so obvious, he should have fixed it before it broke. Everyone is to blame for this mess.
The sub-prime mortgages that lead to this disaster were not generated prior to 2002, therefore there really was no large problem to address
Exactly, Aaron. And I've never said the Repubs deserve none of the blame, and think they deserve 20-30% for not standing up to the Dems in 2003-2005. In their defense, the Dems and MSM loved to accuse the Repubs of being racist.

It's just ironic that the economy was probably the main reason The Messiah was elected, and most of the blame falls on the Dems.

Think of how many times Biden and The Messiah talked about "eight years of failed economic policy and deregulation" being the cause of the financial crisis. Did you ever once see the MSM ask for any of the details about these accusations? They wanted their guy to win, and were even more biased than the refs at a BT bball game.
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Exactly, Aaron. And I've never said the Repubs deserve none of the blame, and think they deserve 20-30% for not standing up to the Dems in 2003-2005. In their defense, the Dems and MSM loved to accuse the Repubs of being racist.

It's just ironic that the economy was probably the main reason The Messiah was elected, and most of the blame falls on the Dems.

Think of how many times Biden and The Messiah talked about "eight years of failed economic policy and deregulation" being the cause of the financial crisis. Did you ever once see the MSM ask for any of the details about these accusations? They wanted their guy to win, and were even more biased than the refs at a BT bball game.
I think you give way too much credit to the Republicans. Charles Hagel saw this coming and a handful of other Republicans. The other Republicans just voted with their party and didn't push the issue. Give Hagel credit, but 90% of the Republicans were in the same boat as the Democrats.
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Exactly, Aaron. And I've never said the Repubs deserve none of the blame, and think they deserve 20-30% for not standing up to the Dems in 2003-2005. In their defense, the Dems and MSM loved to accuse the Repubs of being racist.

It's just ironic that the economy was probably the main reason The Messiah was elected, and most of the blame falls on the Dems.

Think of how many times Biden and The Messiah talked about "eight years of failed economic policy and deregulation" being the cause of the financial crisis. Did you ever once see the MSM ask for any of the details about these accusations? They wanted their guy to win, and were even more biased than the refs at a BT bball game.
I think you give way too much credit to the Republicans. Charles Hagel saw this coming and a handful of other Republicans. The other Republicans just voted with their party and didn't push the issue. Give Hagel credit, but 90% of the Republicans were in the same boat as the Democrats.
Faithful, I don't have the link, but heard that 100% of the Repubs on the finance committee voted for Hagel's bill, and 100% of the Dems voted against, far from "being in the same boat."
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