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I attended Catholic school from K-8 and then transferred to public school.
I was in Catholic school for all 12. I was just wondering, if you were from Indy, I'm sure we'd know some of the same people.
Oh okay, I was wondering where you were going with this. I was going to stop at my social security #......
I only need the last 4 digits.
:rofl: . Damn you must know what my employment is. I ask for those all day long...
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Thanks for taking the time to post that. It actually makes alot of sense. I have conversations with my wife in refrencing time and the Bible. When the Bible mentions Abraham and him being hundreds of years old, I say it is relative to time keeping during that period. ANy way thanks again and I am going to pay the 3.50 for the download and check it out more in depth. If you don't mind I would like to Pm you sometime, I have questions about the Jewish faith, with me being Catholic and no Jewish denomination for 100 miles, I am pretty limited.
No problem. I'll answer your Jew question to the best of my ability, but I'll warn you, I'm not that religious so if it's something really specific I'll have to ask my wife :)
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Thanks for taking the time to post that. It actually makes alot of sense. I have conversations with my wife in refrencing time and the Bible. When the Bible mentions Abraham and him being hundreds of years old, I say it is relative to time keeping during that period. ANy way thanks again and I am going to pay the 3.50 for the download and check it out more in depth. If you don't mind I would like to Pm you sometime, I have questions about the Jewish faith, with me being Catholic and no Jewish denomination for 100 miles, I am pretty limited.
Where are you from Cattman?
The big city of Vincennes Indiana.
You could always drive to Bloomington to go to some other services. While I was at IU, I attended almost a dozen different services, and I really enjoyed it.
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I have a theory that reconciles everything.

God created dinosaurs and man simultaneously, but it was 150 billion years ago. He then cryoegenically froze man by tricking them into thinking that there were free cinammon rolls inside the chamber.

Now the good part. He impregnated a dinosaur, called her Marysaurus Rex, and she gave birth to Tyrannosaurus Christ. Unfortunately, about this time man escaped from their long sleep and exited. Not liking that dinosaurs had become God's children, they crucified Tyranno Christ. The caveman equivalent of Samuel L. Jackson jumped out and shouted "Jesus, I'm so tired of these mother fucking dinosaurs on this mother fucking planet" which, through years and years of Hollywood translation, became misinterpreted to be "I'm so tired of these mother fucking snake-lizards on these plains."

So, yes, dinosaurs are mentioned in the bible, but never directly by Christ himself, because he himself WAS a dinosaur. In fact, the original Bible (the King of the Dinosaurs Version), had most of Jesus's quotes as "Raaaarrrr!" and the whole walking across water episode didn't play well in the sticks with him being thirty feet tall and the water only being five feet deep. Later it was changed to the current King James version and Andrew Lloyd Weber musical, although remnants of "Raarrr" are said to still exist in the musical version if you listen closely enough.
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:rofl:

That was great.
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The Torah says we start counting the age of the Universe from day 6
I have never heard that. Do you know how the translation comes to this?

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The Torah says that Adam was the first man, but has been interpreted in later writing to determine that the text of Torah indicates there were 964 generations of humans before Adam (or something like that).
I have never heard about the previous generations...do you have any details or links on this?

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The Torah says we start counting the age of the Universe from day 6
I have never heard that. Do you know how the translation comes to this?

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The Torah says that Adam was the first man, but has been interpreted in later writing to determine that the text of Torah indicates there were 964 generations of humans before Adam (or something like that).
I have never heard about the previous generations...do you have any details or links on this?

Question: Why do you write God as g-d?
aaron --

I believe he is writing g-d when talking of Orthodox Judaism because they feel that it is a sin to deface or erase the name of God. In substituting a dash for an o, they remove the risk of having someone else deface the name of God.
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Question: Why do you write God as g-d?
Dreach, correct me if I am wrong, but I believe in the Jewish faith is is kinda against the rules to use God's name (yahweh?) or to spell it completely.
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Actually I think the writing of G-d with the dash is just to keep from using his name in vain. It's just what I was taught growing up and I've stuck with it.

Aaron, as for your questions, really I'm not sure. I can read Hebrew, but have no clue what the fuck I'm saying. So I'm just going by what the lecturer said. I can tell you that when he mentioned those two things, it was obvious enough that people were shaking their heads like they already knew it. "Yeah yeah we know when the Torah says to start counting the age of the Universe, what's the point?" That type of thing.

A quick Google search came up with this.

http://www.claudemariottini.com/blog/labels/Adam.html

Hope it helps.
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The Torah says that Adam was the first man, but has been interpreted in later writing to determine that the text of Torah indicates there were 964 generations of humans before Adam (or something like that). It also says that Man lived an average of about 150 years. 964*150 = about 145,000 years, or right in the middle of where science estimates the oldest humans lived (between 100-200 thousand years ago.
That's some Democrat math right there. Unless these people were having kids on their deathbeds (all 964 generations of 'em), this doesn't add up. I'll give 'em the benefit of the doubt and say the average childbearing age was 50, meaning when generation I was 50, they had kids (generation II). When generation II had kids at 50 (generation III), generation I was 100. But according to the math you've quoted, generation I would have been long gone (450 years old) by the time generation III came into being. Multiply this bad math 961 more times, and you're lookin' at quite the discrepancy. A roughly 100,000 year discrepancy to be semi-exact.


Note: Please take the 'Democrat math' quip in a lighthearted fashion, you all know I hate the Republicans just as much. ;)
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Thanks for taking the time to post that. It actually makes alot of sense. I have conversations with my wife in refrencing time and the Bible. When the Bible mentions Abraham and him being hundreds of years old, I say it is relative to time keeping during that period. ANy way thanks again and I am going to pay the 3.50 for the download and check it out more in depth. If you don't mind I would like to Pm you sometime, I have questions about the Jewish faith, with me being Catholic and no Jewish denomination for 100 miles, I am pretty limited.
Where are you from Cattman?
The big city of Vincennes Indiana.
You could always drive to Bloomington to go to some other services. While I was at IU, I attended almost a dozen different services, and I really enjoyed it.
That would be a good option. I may give it a go. Thanks.
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I have a theory that reconciles everything.

God created dinosaurs and man simultaneously, but it was 150 billion years ago. He then cryoegenically froze man by tricking them into thinking that there were free cinammon rolls inside the chamber.

Now the good part. He impregnated a dinosaur, called her Marysaurus Rex, and she gave birth to Tyrannosaurus Christ. Unfortunately, about this time man escaped from their long sleep and exited. Not liking that dinosaurs had become God's children, they crucified Tyranno Christ. The caveman equivalent of Samuel L. Jackson jumped out and shouted "Jesus, I'm so tired of these mother fucking dinosaurs on this mother fucking planet" which, through years and years of Hollywood translation, became misinterpreted to be "I'm so tired of these mother fucking snake-lizards on these plains."

So, yes, dinosaurs are mentioned in the bible, but never directly by Christ himself, because he himself WAS a dinosaur. In fact, the original Bible (the King of the Dinosaurs Version), had most of Jesus's quotes as "Raaaarrrr!" and the whole walking across water episode didn't play well in the sticks with him being thirty feet tall and the water only being five feet deep. Later it was changed to the current King James version and Andrew Lloyd Weber musical, although remnants of "Raarrr" are said to still exist in the musical version if you listen closely enough.
Wow, I was pretty sure I was going to hell on a scholarship, but you must be heavily recruited.
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The Torah says that Adam was the first man, but has been interpreted in later writing to determine that the text of Torah indicates there were 964 generations of humans before Adam (or something like that). It also says that Man lived an average of about 150 years. 964*150 = about 145,000 years, or right in the middle of where science estimates the oldest humans lived (between 100-200 thousand years ago.
That's some Democrat math right there. Unless these people were having kids on their deathbeds (all 964 generations of 'em), this doesn't add up. I'll give 'em the benefit of the doubt and say the average childbearing age was 50, meaning when generation I was 50, they had kids (generation II). When generation II had kids at 50 (generation III), generation I was 100. But according to the math you've quoted, generation I would have been long gone (450 years old) by the time generation III came into being. Multiply this bad math 961 more times, and you're lookin' at quite the discrepancy. A roughly 100,000 year discrepancy to be semi-exact.


Note: Please take the 'Democrat math' quip in a lighthearted fashion, you all know I hate the Republicans just as much. ;)
Sorry, I think I made a mistake in the original post. The rabbi said the average GENERATION was about 150 years old, not the average life span. There's lots of stories of people living for 100's of years in the Torah, such as Noah living over 900 years.

Reasoning - Probably one of the more difficult areas of the Torah to believe. The reasoning during the lecture was simply that people die because their cells are programmed to die after a certain amount of time. As more and more cells die, we age, and eventually we die as well. He basically said this program didn't exist back then (or was extremely different). If cells don't die, and the person doesn't die due to some accident or something, then technically they should be able to live for much longer. At some point G-d changed this cellular program to be what we know it as today.
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I have a theory that reconciles everything.

God created dinosaurs and man simultaneously, but it was 150 billion years ago. He then cryoegenically froze man by tricking them into thinking that there were free cinammon rolls inside the chamber.

Now the good part. He impregnated a dinosaur, called her Marysaurus Rex, and she gave birth to Tyrannosaurus Christ. Unfortunately, about this time man escaped from their long sleep and exited. Not liking that dinosaurs had become God's children, they crucified Tyranno Christ. The caveman equivalent of Samuel L. Jackson jumped out and shouted "Jesus, I'm so tired of these mother fucking dinosaurs on this mother fucking planet" which, through years and years of Hollywood translation, became misinterpreted to be "I'm so tired of these mother fucking snake-lizards on these plains."

So, yes, dinosaurs are mentioned in the bible, but never directly by Christ himself, because he himself WAS a dinosaur. In fact, the original Bible (the King of the Dinosaurs Version), had most of Jesus's quotes as "Raaaarrrr!" and the whole walking across water episode didn't play well in the sticks with him being thirty feet tall and the water only being five feet deep. Later it was changed to the current King James version and Andrew Lloyd Weber musical, although remnants of "Raarrr" are said to still exist in the musical version if you listen closely enough.
Wow, I was pretty sure I was going to hell on a scholarship, but you must be heavily recruited.
Well, since I don't believe in either heaven or hell, you've just confined me to a place I don't believe in. ^_^

Anyway, if there is a god and he can't take a joke, why would I want to go to heaven?
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