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some straight talk; about racism
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Cattman96 Nov 19 2008, 03:21 PM Post #91
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They are in a cycle of drugs, gang banging no father around and sometimes no mother. Why try to better yourself when you look around and it appears there is no hope.
These are the fruits of 40 years of liberalism and government spending to end poverty.
Poor people have been voting for Democrats for the last 40 years and thy are still poor.-Charles Barkley

I know consider the source but there is alot of truth to it.
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They are in a cycle of drugs, gang banging no father around and sometimes no mother. Why try to better yourself when you look around and it appears there is no hope.
These are the fruits of 40 years of liberalism and government spending to end poverty.
Poor people have been voting for Democrats for the last 40 years and thy are still poor.-Charles Barkley

I know consider the source but there is alot of truth to it.
he makes a good point like that, and then wants to run as a democrat in Alabama....go figure
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well, this started because Hog said that black people don't have the equal opportunities that white people have (not in so many words) in this country, which is bullshit. As we have agreed, demographics are a factor, but race is not. There are white people that live in these bad areas also.....do they get shuffled to a secret room in the school full of great teachers & better books? Of course not...so the problem isn't race whatsoever. Just because one race is more densely populated in an area that is problematic doesn't tie that race to the problem.

And btw, I actually still think that the opportunity is equal regardless of school or demos, or race....etc. There are plenty of self-educated millionairs out there to prove it.....did they all just get "lucky"....nope.
Ok, so now the question becomes why are poor areas of the country predominantly black? Maybe because of slavery and inequal treatment of blacks post-slavery? Or maybe it is just some giant coincidence that one race is, "more densely populated in an area that is problematic."
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They are in a cycle of drugs, gang banging no father around and sometimes no mother. Why try to better yourself when you look around and it appears there is no hope.
These are the fruits of 40 years of liberalism and government spending to end poverty.
Poor people have been voting for Democrats for the last 40 years and thy are still poor.-Charles Barkley

I know consider the source but there is alot of truth to it.
he makes a good point like that, and then wants to run as a democrat in Alabama....go figure
Charles Barkley isn't poor ;)
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They are in a cycle of drugs, gang banging no father around and sometimes no mother. Why try to better yourself when you look around and it appears there is no hope.
These are the fruits of 40 years of liberalism and government spending to end poverty.
Poor people have been voting for Democrats for the last 40 years and thy are still poor.-Charles Barkley

I know consider the source but there is alot of truth to it.
he makes a good point like that, and then wants to run as a democrat in Alabama....go figure
Sir Charles was a republican until Obama ran
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Interesting....
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Not really we still won Alabama one of the few states we won
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well, this started because Hog said that black people don't have the equal opportunities that white people have (not in so many words) in this country, which is bullshit. As we have agreed, demographics are a factor, but race is not. There are white people that live in these bad areas also.....do they get shuffled to a secret room in the school full of great teachers & better books? Of course not...so the problem isn't race whatsoever. Just because one race is more densely populated in an area that is problematic doesn't tie that race to the problem.

And btw, I actually still think that the opportunity is equal regardless of school or demos, or race....etc. There are plenty of self-educated millionairs out there to prove it.....did they all just get "lucky"....nope.
Ok, so now the question becomes why are poor areas of the country predominantly black? Maybe because of slavery and inequal treatment of blacks post-slavery? Or maybe it is just some giant coincidence that one race is, "more densely populated in an area that is problematic."
well, I think in order to answer that you have to first realize that it isn't the right question. As long as we keep identifying problems based on something as paltry as the color of one's skin, we will never get anywhere. I could draw a similar conclusion that it appears that the poor areas of the country are predominantly populated by people who can jump high. Is there something inherant with high-jumpers or is it a coincidence? Neither, and judging a group's condition by either of those superficial descriptives would be foolish.

If we want to work on solving poverty, let's solve poverty. If we want to work on solving education problems, let's improve education. If you want to fix America's drug problems, let's fix them. Addressing "poverty in the black community" is discrimenatory and counter-productive to what should be the goals of our nation's society.
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I was being a bit sarcastic.
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Ok, so now the question becomes why are poor areas of the country predominantly black? Maybe because of slavery and inequal treatment of blacks post-slavery? Or maybe it is just some giant coincidence that one race is, "more densely populated in an area that is problematic."
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well, I think in order to answer that you have to first realize that it isn't the right question. As long as we keep identifying problems based on something as paltry as the color of one's skin, we will never get anywhere. I could draw a similar conclusion that it appears that the poor areas of the country are predominantly populated by people who can jump high. Is there something inherant with high-jumpers or is it a coincidence? Neither, and judging a group's condition by either of those superficial descriptives would be foolish.

If we want to work on solving poverty, let's solve poverty. If we want to work on solving education problems, let's improve education. If you want to fix America's drug problems, let's fix them. Addressing "poverty in the black community" is discrimenatory and counter-productive to what should be the goals of our nation's society.


Your second paragraph I agree with. The solution is to solve poverty, not poverty in the black communities.

The first paragraph sounds logical...but is just wrong. Facts are that people were discriminated on the color of their skin, not on how high they can jump. So it doesn't make any sense to to say poor areas are predominantly populated by people who can jump high. They are populated by blacks because of the fact that the country discriminated against them because they are black.
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talented black athletes like Barkley are a poor reference point.

They are nothing more than the product of some huge gorilla dropping his load in their moma.

9 months later: Presto! a 11 lbs baby with over developed thighs and a 45 inch cuff length. Sure beats studying.
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Lets be honest AaronK,

Everyone cannot be rich. Anyone can be but everyone can't be unless you live in Kuwait and bring in a sub servant class to do the less than desired work. The working class in Kuwait cannot become wealthy.

America is different everyone has the same rights but by birth not the same opportunities. I was never going to be able to be a Frat boy that never worked in college and just partied all the time. That is a lifestyle but i was not denied the right to goto college. Anyone in America that wants an education beyond High school and is capable of passing the courses can get one. Maybe not an Ivy league but an education. Can they got school party all weekend and twice during the week no but can they work every weekend live at home or even get a shitty apartment and work through the week and attend school yes.

I agree if you are a Trump, Kennedy, Bush, Obama children, a McCain and in everyone's hometown you can name a few is the road easier yes. America offers that route to anyone that puts the effort in to achieve. If it is the first generation traveling that route is it harder yes. That is why one has mentors to help them. God knows i have had many. End of the day one must decide this is what I want to do and go do it. I agree if you come from the inner city it is harder do to the environment you are in but not impossible. A Carmel execs son has an easier route but a working class kid can become a respected business professional and stand and stage with a presidential candidate.

My father was a big influence in all of this since I was a little kid I would dad I want this or want that and he would say pass your classes work hard and goto school

You can have whatever you want one day if you really want it and focus on getting it.

Am I super successful right now no. I have my chances and it is on me to work harder not on the government.

The government can't teach you hard work and personal values.

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Lets be honest AaronK,

Everyone cannot be rich. Anyone can be but everyone can't be unless you live in Kuwait and bring in a sub servant class to do the less than desired work. The working class in Kuwait cannot become wealthy.

America is different everyone has the same rights but by birth not the same opportunities. I was never going to be able to be a Frat boy that never worked in college and just partied all the time. That is a lifestyle but i was not denied the right to goto college. Anyone in America that wants an education beyond High school and is capable of passing the courses can get one. Maybe not an Ivy league but an education. Can they got school party all weekend and twice during the week no but can they work every weekend live at home or even get a shitty apartment and work through the week and attend school yes.

I agree if you are a Trump, Kennedy, Bush, Obama children, a McCain and in everyone's hometown you can name a few is the road easier yes. America offers that route to anyone that puts the effort in to achieve. If it is the first generation traveling that route is it harder yes. That is why one has mentors to help them. God knows i have had many. End of the day one must decide this is what I want to do and go do it. I agree if you come from the inner city it is harder do to the environment you are in but not impossible. A Carmel execs son has an easier route but a working class kid can become a respected business professional and stand and stage with a presidential candidate.

My father was a big influence in all of this since I was a little kid I would dad I want this or want that and he would say pass your classes work hard and goto school

You can have whatever you want one day if you really want it and focus on getting it.

Am I super successful right now no. I have my chances and it is on me to work harder not on the government.

The government can't teach you hard work and personal values.

Life's what you make of it. By reading what you have to say you are a perfect example. People can be part of the solution or do nothing and be part of the problem. With few exceptions, The choice is theirs.
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Ok, so now the question becomes why are poor areas of the country predominantly black? Maybe because of slavery and inequal treatment of blacks post-slavery? Or maybe it is just some giant coincidence that one race is, "more densely populated in an area that is problematic."
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well, I think in order to answer that you have to first realize that it isn't the right question. As long as we keep identifying problems based on something as paltry as the color of one's skin, we will never get anywhere. I could draw a similar conclusion that it appears that the poor areas of the country are predominantly populated by people who can jump high. Is there something inherant with high-jumpers or is it a coincidence? Neither, and judging a group's condition by either of those superficial descriptives would be foolish.

If we want to work on solving poverty, let's solve poverty. If we want to work on solving education problems, let's improve education. If you want to fix America's drug problems, let's fix them. Addressing "poverty in the black community" is discrimenatory and counter-productive to what should be the goals of our nation's society.


Your second paragraph I agree with. The solution is to solve poverty, not poverty in the black communities.

The first paragraph sounds logical...but is just wrong. Facts are that people were discriminated on the color of their skin, not on how high they can jump. So it doesn't make any sense to to say poor areas are predominantly populated by people who can jump high. They are populated by blacks because of the fact that the country discriminated against them because they are black.
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Facts are that people were discriminated on the color of their skin
Key word, "were". This is 2008, and that hasn't been the case for quite some time now dreach. Obviously discrimination still exists (for ALL races), but not to the degree that opportunities are denied based on skin color.

Post-slavery, woman were just as discriminated against as black people. Why hasn't poverty plagued woman across our nation, of past discrimination is to blame? Please....I'm begging you, explain to me how someone's great great great grandfather being a slave in 1850 has limited the opportunity for that person today in America?

Has anyone been discriminated against as badly and as violently in the history of the world as the jewish people have? How's that working out for them? Excuses, laziness, and dependency is what keeps able-bodied people down.....not color or the sins committed against their ancestors.

BTW, I think I have said this before, but I have native-american ancestry.....my ancestors didn't even receive 40 acres & a mule.....they received smallpox. How in the world did I not end up in poverty? What "opportunities" am I afforded that any black person isn't? Answer that question, and you have something.
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They are in a cycle of drugs, gang banging no father around and sometimes no mother. Why try to better yourself when you look around and it appears there is no hope.
These are the fruits of 40 years of liberalism and government spending to end poverty.
Poor people have been voting for Democrats for the last 40 years and thy are still poor.-Charles Barkley

I know consider the source but there is alot of truth to it.
he makes a good point like that, and then wants to run as a democrat in Alabama....go figure
Sir Charles was a republican until Obama ran
He switched parties in 2006...
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