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some straight talk; about racism
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Nov 19 2008, 07:20 PM
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Facts are that people were discriminated on the color of their skin
Key word, "were". This is 2008, and that hasn't been the case for quite some time now dreach. Obviously discrimination still exists (for ALL races), but not to the degree that opportunities are denied based on skin color. Post-slavery, woman were just as discriminated against as black people. Why hasn't poverty plagued woman across our nation, of past discrimination is to blame? Please....I'm begging you, explain to me how someone's great great great grandfather being a slave in 1850 has limited the opportunity for that person today in America? Has anyone been discriminated against as badly and as violently in the history of the world as the jewish people have? How's that working out for them? Excuses, laziness, and dependency is what keeps able-bodied people down.....not color or the sins committed against their ancestors. BTW, I think I have said this before, but I have native-american ancestry.....my ancestors didn't even receive 40 acres & a mule.....they received smallpox. How in the world did I not end up in poverty? What "opportunities" am I afforded that any black person isn't? Answer that question, and you have something. I think your time line is a bit misleading. Slavery ended a long time ago, but Martin Luther King Jr. just died 40 years ago... if you said that ended discrimination (which it obviously didn't), then the oldest person who lived a life without discrimination is just 40 right now.
Discrimination exists when there's a large group of one demographic in an area. In the business sector I work for, Indians are dominating right now. The people hiring are Indian, and the people being hired are Indian. It's not a coincidence. People feel more comfortable hiring those most like them. That goes from skin color, to your accent, to the way you dress. It's normally not a conscious thought, but I guarantee everyone posting here has judged someone today based on how they look. That may be in a positive by seeing someone dressed sharp or in a negative by seeing someone who looked like they rolled out of bed, but it's just human nature to like those that look like you.
I don't think these organizations help to stop this cause, but it's ridiculous to say that discrimination doesn't exist anymore because it always will exist. People will always judge someone on their skin just like people will always judge people by their other characteristics. The only difference will be that eventually those in hiring positions should even out to match those applying for positions.
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Nov 19 2008, 07:23 PM
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Key word, "were". This is 2008, and that hasn't been the case for quite some time now dreach. Obviously discrimination still exists (for ALL races), but not to the degree that opportunities are denied based on skin color.
Post-slavery, woman were just as discriminated against as black people. Why hasn't poverty plagued woman across our nation, of past discrimination is to blame? Please....I'm begging you, explain to me how someone's great great great grandfather being a slave in 1850 has limited the opportunity for that person today in America?
Has anyone been discriminated against as badly and as violently in the history of the world as the jewish people have? How's that working out for them? Excuses, laziness, and dependency is what keeps able-bodied people down.....not color or the sins committed against their ancestors.
BTW, I think I have said this before, but I have native-american ancestry.....my ancestors didn't even receive 40 acres & a mule.....they received smallpox. How in the world did I not end up in poverty? What "opportunities" am I afforded that any black person isn't? Answer that question, and you have something.
Look, if you don't think that hundreds of years of slavery and discrimination have led to poor areas being predominantly populated by blacks, then there's nothing I can do to convince you. I guess it's just one big coincidence. And I guess it's a coincidence in every other population in the entire world where a group of people have been discriminated against and now they live in poorer areas, have higher crime rates, and don't get as good an education. This hasn't just happened in America. This is true wherever you go.
Jews - Caucasion, weren't discriminated against in America. Were discriminated agains in many middle easter countries. Most fled those countries but the ones that remain are poor.
Slavery may have ended a long time ago, but blacks still couldn't vote or go to college. Then they could vote and go to college, but they couldn't get the best jobs. Statistics show that if your parents went to college you are much more likely to go to college. It's extremely difficult to be a first generation college student. This is proven among populations around the entire world, not just in the US. So when a poor person finishes lower schooling they needed to go straight to work instead of going to College. They need to help their family. But because they don't get more schooling, they remain poor. So their kids have to do the same thing. It's a cycle.
As for your own personal background. I'm assuming you didn't grow up on the reservation or in a slum. We're talking about people who live in poor areas. A black person who grows up with an affluent family has just as many opportunities as everyone else. But the person who grows up in a slum (which are predominantly black due to the history of America) do not have those same opportunities.
Hope that answers your question.
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Nov 19 2008, 08:59 PM
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Key word, "were". This is 2008, and that hasn't been the case for quite some time now dreach. Obviously discrimination still exists (for ALL races), but not to the degree that opportunities are denied based on skin color.
Post-slavery, woman were just as discriminated against as black people. Why hasn't poverty plagued woman across our nation, of past discrimination is to blame? Please....I'm begging you, explain to me how someone's great great great grandfather being a slave in 1850 has limited the opportunity for that person today in America?
Has anyone been discriminated against as badly and as violently in the history of the world as the jewish people have? How's that working out for them? Excuses, laziness, and dependency is what keeps able-bodied people down.....not color or the sins committed against their ancestors.
BTW, I think I have said this before, but I have native-american ancestry.....my ancestors didn't even receive 40 acres & a mule.....they received smallpox. How in the world did I not end up in poverty? What "opportunities" am I afforded that any black person isn't? Answer that question, and you have something.
Look, if you don't think that hundreds of years of slavery and discrimination have led to poor areas being predominantly populated by blacks, then there's nothing I can do to convince you. I guess it's just one big coincidence. And I guess it's a coincidence in every other population in the entire world where a group of people have been discriminated against and now they live in poorer areas, have higher crime rates, and don't get as good an education. This hasn't just happened in America. This is true wherever you go. Jews - Caucasion, weren't discriminated against in America. Were discriminated agains in many middle easter countries. Most fled those countries but the ones that remain are poor. Slavery may have ended a long time ago, but blacks still couldn't vote or go to college. Then they could vote and go to college, but they couldn't get the best jobs. Statistics show that if your parents went to college you are much more likely to go to college. It's extremely difficult to be a first generation college student. This is proven among populations around the entire world, not just in the US. So when a poor person finishes lower schooling they needed to go straight to work instead of going to College. They need to help their family. But because they don't get more schooling, they remain poor. So their kids have to do the same thing. It's a cycle. As for your own personal background. I'm assuming you didn't grow up on the reservation or in a slum. We're talking about people who live in poor areas. A black person who grows up with an affluent family has just as many opportunities as everyone else. But the person who grows up in a slum (which are predominantly black due to the history of America) do not have those same opportunities. Hope that answers your question. :banghead: :banghead:
dreach, your statistics are true, but all they do is point out inequality in results, not inequality in opportunity. In 2008, we all have the same opportunities to succeed...I don't know why less black people take advantage of those opportunities than white people. I could theorize (and Lars would call it more of a law than a theory) that the excuses, entitlements, and consequential dependency that many blacks have become accustomed to is the reason. How many times do you have to hear Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton (and people like you) claim that because of what happened to your ancestors, you now have very little chance of success in this country, and the only way you are going to survive is on the government's dime, before you start to believe it?
Let me just ask you this. If you are a 30 year old black man who was born and raised in Gary Indiana, what actual opportunities for success were you denied? I don't want to hear about the results of Gary, because as I have said, that is only a fact of results, not opportunity.
Do they have schools in Gary? Do those schools have the same textbooks that I have in Fort Wayne? Are there libraries in Gary? Are there educational after-school activities in Gary? Do colleges admit people from Gary? Do professors grade your papers & tests based on your home town? Are college loans available to black people from Gary? Do job recruiters avoid black college students who are originally from Gary? Are small business loans prohibited to black people originally from Gary?
Growing up poor doesn't eliminate your opportunity for success. It may make it more difficult, you may have to struggle, you may have to overcome the pressures around you, but that isn't a product of opportunity, it is a product of desire.
Bottom line, if a poor black kid heads into college with zero, and comes out with even less (because of student loan debt....etc), he is ABSOLUTELY no different than thousands and thousands of white kids (myself included). We all have the same opportunities for success, and we are all responsible for what we do with them, which I know goes against every liberal principle that is now being taught at prestigious hippy academic establishments such as IU (outside of the B School of course).
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Nov 19 2008, 09:04 PM
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Facts are that people were discriminated on the color of their skin
Key word, "were". This is 2008, and that hasn't been the case for quite some time now dreach. Obviously discrimination still exists (for ALL races), but not to the degree that opportunities are denied based on skin color. Post-slavery, woman were just as discriminated against as black people. Why hasn't poverty plagued woman across our nation, of past discrimination is to blame? Please....I'm begging you, explain to me how someone's great great great grandfather being a slave in 1850 has limited the opportunity for that person today in America? Has anyone been discriminated against as badly and as violently in the history of the world as the jewish people have? How's that working out for them? Excuses, laziness, and dependency is what keeps able-bodied people down.....not color or the sins committed against their ancestors. BTW, I think I have said this before, but I have native-american ancestry.....my ancestors didn't even receive 40 acres & a mule.....they received smallpox. How in the world did I not end up in poverty? What "opportunities" am I afforded that any black person isn't? Answer that question, and you have something.
I think your time line is a bit misleading. Slavery ended a long time ago, but Martin Luther King Jr. just died 40 years ago... if you said that ended discrimination (which it obviously didn't), then the oldest person who lived a life without discrimination is just 40 right now. Discrimination exists when there's a large group of one demographic in an area. In the business sector I work for, Indians are dominating right now. The people hiring are Indian, and the people being hired are Indian. It's not a coincidence. People feel more comfortable hiring those most like them. That goes from skin color, to your accent, to the way you dress. It's normally not a conscious thought, but I guarantee everyone posting here has judged someone today based on how they look. That may be in a positive by seeing someone dressed sharp or in a negative by seeing someone who looked like they rolled out of bed, but it's just human nature to like those that look like you. I don't think these organizations help to stop this cause, but it's ridiculous to say that discrimination doesn't exist anymore because it always will exist. People will always judge someone on their skin just like people will always judge people by their other characteristics. The only difference will be that eventually those in hiring positions should even out to match those applying for positions. I never said discrimination doesn't exist. What I said is that it doesn't prohibit opportunity in the United States. I personally had much much much less advantages than many "poor black kids", yet I was able to see the opportunities available in this great nation, desire to attain them, stick to it, and eventually succeed. You guys are so quick to make excuses for failures, blame it on society...etc etc. This country is still free (at least for now) and we all have the right to pursue happiness & opportunities from coast to coast.
In many ways, poor black kid has more advantages. Not just in the abundance of financial aid available to him, but in the fact that the hardships of being poor prepare you for hardships later on in life, and give you the experience to overcome adversity, which as you should know is a HUGE positive attribute for an employee. How many whiney silver-spoon kids have you seen quit, or had to fire because when the going gets tough, they act like little spoiled bitches?
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Nov 19 2008, 09:28 PM
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I think your time line is a bit misleading. Slavery ended a long time ago, but Martin Luther King Jr. just died 40 years ago... if you said that ended discrimination (which it obviously didn't), then the oldest person who lived a life without discrimination is just 40 right now.
Discrimination exists when there's a large group of one demographic in an area. In the business sector I work for, Indians are dominating right now. The people hiring are Indian, and the people being hired are Indian. It's not a coincidence. People feel more comfortable hiring those most like them. That goes from skin color, to your accent, to the way you dress. It's normally not a conscious thought, but I guarantee everyone posting here has judged someone today based on how they look. That may be in a positive by seeing someone dressed sharp or in a negative by seeing someone who looked like they rolled out of bed, but it's just human nature to like those that look like you.
I don't think these organizations help to stop this cause, but it's ridiculous to say that discrimination doesn't exist anymore because it always will exist. People will always judge someone on their skin just like people will always judge people by their other characteristics. The only difference will be that eventually those in hiring positions should even out to match those applying for positions.
I never said discrimination doesn't exist. What I said is that it doesn't prohibit opportunity in the United States. I personally had much much much less advantages than many "poor black kids", yet I was able to see the opportunities available in this great nation, desire to attain them, stick to it, and eventually succeed. You guys are so quick to make excuses for failures, blame it on society...etc etc. This country is still free (at least for now) and we all have the right to pursue happiness & opportunities from coast to coast. In many ways, poor black kid has more advantages. Not just in the abundance of financial aid available to him, but in the fact that the hardships of being poor prepare you for hardships later on in life, and give you the experience to overcome adversity, which as you should know is a HUGE positive attribute for an employee. How many whiney silver-spoon kids have you seen quit, or had to fire because when the going gets tough, they act like little spoiled bitches? I came from a low income family, and I definitely took advantage of every opportunity to advance my education. My resume right now looks very impressive, but opportunity wasn't the point of my comment. My comment was directed at how people are actually hired.
At the company I'm currently doing consulting for, there's Indians choosing how to assign projects and 80% of the projects are going to Indian consultants. I've seen the resumes of these consultants, and I've yet to find anyone even comparable to mine. I don't blame them for discriminating; it's just a natural facet of life. People enjoy being around people they can relate to, and the way someone looks and talks will always affect hiring.
As to your comment about whiney silver-spoon kids, I've seen a lot of them, and the reason I have is because their Dads are Vice Presidents at the companies I work for, and you better believe that you better have a 4.0 from an Ivy League school if you think you're going to get hired with a salary anywhere near theirs.
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Nov 19 2008, 09:33 PM
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So you admit that schools are worse in poor areas but deny that this has any limit on the children that attend these schools. Whatever floats your boat buddy. Obviously you don't think slavery and discrimination have had any contribution in the creation of poor areas being predominantly black. You don't think these kids are at a disadvantage. You don't think they have fewer opportunities. And you do think that if they just worked harder, everything would be better and because of that nothing should exist to try and give these kids another avenue to pursue their dreams.
We disagree, not much more to be said I guess.
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Nov 19 2008, 09:36 PM
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pretty funny article. many valid, if not 'PC', points made.
when will the cable channel, WET, be launched?
Isn't that the Women's network? Or is that Lifetime...television for women. I think WET has a better ring to it! We saw the face of what a WET would be....Frasier used to a top rated program.
PLEASE say no to WET.
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The only thing that really bothers me is the fact that everyone just seems to get lumped into groups. For any african american to not acknowledge the huge changes that have been made over the last 40 years is ridiculous.......if you can point out the bad at least mention some of the good. Fact is, there will always be racism in the world.......just like there will always be hunger. Be who you are and lead by example, that is really about all you can do.There will always be racist "whites", but thousands of poor, disadvantaged minority children are adopted and raised by "whites" all the time in this country.....alot of those families are just average american families with the same struggles as you and I. They dont do it for fame or money, they do it because it is their way to make a change in this world. Sometimes we focus a little too much on the negatives in life....imo.
In summary, If Obama really wants to impress me he should adopt a poor, disadvantaged white kid!
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Nov 19 2008, 09:41 PM
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The only thing that really bothers me is the fact that everyone just seems to get lumped into groups. For any african american to not acknowledge the huge changes that have been made over the last 40 years is ridiculous.......if you can point out the bad at least mention some of the good. Fact is, there will always be racism in the world.......just like there will always be hunger. Be who you are and lead by example, that is really about all you can do.There will always be racist "whites", but thousands of poor, disadvantaged minority children are adopted and raised by "whites" all the time in this country.....alot of those families are just average american families with the same struggles as you and I. They dont do it for fame or money, they do it because it is their way to make a change in this world. Sometimes we focus a little too much on the negatives in life....imo.
In summary, If Obama really wants to impress me he should adopt a poor, disadvantaged white kid!
THE END Completely agree... except for the Obama adopting some White kid. I know he'll have a lot of spare rooms in his house, but I don't think he should become the next Angelina Jolie.
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The only thing that really bothers me is the fact that everyone just seems to get lumped into groups. For any african american to not acknowledge the huge changes that have been made over the last 40 years is ridiculous.......if you can point out the bad at least mention some of the good. Fact is, there will always be racism in the world.......just like there will always be hunger. Be who you are and lead by example, that is really about all you can do.There will always be racist "whites", but thousands of poor, disadvantaged minority children are adopted and raised by "whites" all the time in this country.....alot of those families are just average american families with the same struggles as you and I. They dont do it for fame or money, they do it because it is their way to make a change in this world. Sometimes we focus a little too much on the negatives in life....imo.
In summary, If Obama really wants to impress me he should adopt a poor, disadvantaged white kid!
THE END Understand where you're coming from and you're right that there have been huge changes for the better in the last 40 years. But the purpose of this thread was to point out that now that we have a black President, everybody is on level playing field and we should abolish any group which tries to help minorities in this country. Personally, I obviously don't think that's the case.
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you're right that there have been huge changes for the better in the last 40 years. I would argue that liberal government spending programs have done serious damage to black families, and now we have large communities that only know welfare, drugs, gangs, teenage pregnancy, and single mothers. It's a crying shame.
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Key word, "were". This is 2008, and that hasn't been the case for quite some time now dreach. Obviously discrimination still exists (for ALL races), but not to the degree that opportunities are denied based on skin color.
Post-slavery, woman were just as discriminated against as black people. Why hasn't poverty plagued woman across our nation, of past discrimination is to blame? Please....I'm begging you, explain to me how someone's great great great grandfather being a slave in 1850 has limited the opportunity for that person today in America?
Has anyone been discriminated against as badly and as violently in the history of the world as the jewish people have? How's that working out for them? Excuses, laziness, and dependency is what keeps able-bodied people down.....not color or the sins committed against their ancestors.
BTW, I think I have said this before, but I have native-american ancestry.....my ancestors didn't even receive 40 acres & a mule.....they received smallpox. How in the world did I not end up in poverty? What "opportunities" am I afforded that any black person isn't? Answer that question, and you have something.
Look, if you don't think that hundreds of years of slavery and discrimination have led to poor areas being predominantly populated by blacks, then there's nothing I can do to convince you. I guess it's just one big coincidence. And I guess it's a coincidence in every other population in the entire world where a group of people have been discriminated against and now they live in poorer areas, have higher crime rates, and don't get as good an education. This hasn't just happened in America. This is true wherever you go. Jews - Caucasion, weren't discriminated against in America. Were discriminated agains in many middle easter countries. Most fled those countries but the ones that remain are poor. Slavery may have ended a long time ago, but blacks still couldn't vote or go to college. Then they could vote and go to college, but they couldn't get the best jobs. Statistics show that if your parents went to college you are much more likely to go to college. It's extremely difficult to be a first generation college student. This is proven among populations around the entire world, not just in the US. So when a poor person finishes lower schooling they needed to go straight to work instead of going to College. They need to help their family. But because they don't get more schooling, they remain poor. So their kids have to do the same thing. It's a cycle. As for your own personal background. I'm assuming you didn't grow up on the reservation or in a slum. We're talking about people who live in poor areas. A black person who grows up with an affluent family has just as many opportunities as everyone else. But the person who grows up in a slum (which are predominantly black due to the history of America) do not have those same opportunities. Hope that answers your question. :banghead: :banghead: dreach, your statistics are true, but all they do is point out inequality in results, not inequality in opportunity. In 2008, we all have the same opportunities to succeed...I don't know why less black people take advantage of those opportunities than white people. I could theorize (and Lars would call it more of a law than a theory) that the excuses, entitlements, and consequential dependency that many blacks have become accustomed to is the reason. How many times do you have to hear Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton (and people like you) claim that because of what happened to your ancestors, you now have very little chance of success in this country, and the only way you are going to survive is on the government's dime, before you start to believe it? Let me just ask you this. If you are a 30 year old black man who was born and raised in Gary Indiana, what actual opportunities for success were you denied? I don't want to hear about the results of Gary, because as I have said, that is only a fact of results, not opportunity. Do they have schools in Gary? Do those schools have the same textbooks that I have in Fort Wayne? Are there libraries in Gary? Are there educational after-school activities in Gary? Do colleges admit people from Gary? Do professors grade your papers & tests based on your home town? Are college loans available to black people from Gary? Do job recruiters avoid black college students who are originally from Gary? Are small business loans prohibited to black people originally from Gary? Growing up poor doesn't eliminate your opportunity for success. It may make it more difficult, you may have to struggle, you may have to overcome the pressures around you, but that isn't a product of opportunity, it is a product of desire. Bottom line, if a poor black kid heads into college with zero, and comes out with even less (because of student loan debt....etc), he is ABSOLUTELY no different than thousands and thousands of white kids (myself included). We all have the same opportunities for success, and we are all responsible for what we do with them, which I know goes against every liberal principle that is now being taught at prestigious hippy academic establishments such as IU (outside of the B School of course). can you answer these questions dreach, and then explain to me how the black kid from Gary doesn't have an opportunity for success? Excuses are the problem, not slavery & discrimination.
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you're right that there have been huge changes for the better in the last 40 years.
I would argue that liberal government spending programs have done serious damage to black families, and now we have large communities that only know welfare, drugs, gangs, teenage pregnancy, and single mothers. It's a crying shame. Surely no one can deny that..
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you're right that there have been huge changes for the better in the last 40 years.
I would argue that liberal government spending programs have done serious damage to black families, and now we have large communities that only know welfare, drugs, gangs, teenage pregnancy, and single mothers. It's a crying shame.
Surely no one can deny that.. drach might deny that...he seems to think that those programs are necessary to level the playing field that was previously unbalanced due to slavery & discrimination. My guess is Sirbri feels the same way, but probably even stronger.
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Nov 20 2008, 10:51 AM
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you're right that there have been huge changes for the better in the last 40 years.
I would argue that liberal government spending programs have done serious damage to black families, and now we have large communities that only know welfare, drugs, gangs, teenage pregnancy, and single mothers. It's a crying shame.
Surely no one can deny that..
drach might deny that...he seems to think that those programs are necessary to level the playing field that was previously unbalanced due to slavery & discrimination. My guess is Sirbri feels the same way, but probably even stronger. Note, I'm not saying they don't have an opportunity. I'm saying they have FEWER opportunities. As for your specific questions, I don't live in Gary or Ft Wayne so I don't what school books they use. I do know there are non-profit organization that exist for the purpose of helping to get computers into classrooms for schools that can't afford them. I used a computer in high school over 10 years ago. To think there are schools out there that still don't have them (or have a really crappy version) is sad. So whatever the answers to your specific questions are, I'm sure the schools in Gary are not on a level playing field with the schools in other parts of the state.
As for Government programs. We all know that the creation of "Projects" was quite possible the worst thing possible for slums. So no, I am not in favor of all of the Gov programs to help out poor areas.
But you guys are talking about abolishing something like the United Negro College Fund. That's a private organization. They can do whatever they want. Just like Augusta National can not let women in. You guys are always preaching privatization, no government, bla bla bla. Yet when there is a private organization doing exactly what it's supposed to, you want to abolish it. Because it helps black kids? I don't know. I don't see anyone on here complaining about the Italian American scholarship fund.
https://www.niaf.org/scholarships/index.asp
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