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dedicatedIUfan Nov 16 2008, 10:30 PM Post #16
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what kind of adult allows 18-22 year olds run a program? if you accept a head coaching job at one of the most prestigious college programs in the nation then you accept the responsibility. if you can't handle it, you should resign. i'm not in the business of making excuses for someone that doesn't fulfill the responsibilities of the job they applied for. i fire people for doing less than that.

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Wasn't he named the interim coach after Knight was fired? And then he went to a Final Four. What was he supposed to do? Say "No, don't offer me millions of dollars and the keys to a great basketball program, I want to go back to being a low paid assistant coach."? The IU administration catered to a group of kids and it completely backfired on them.

Was Davis a good enough coach to coach at IU? Hell no, but if you are offered a great job like that, would you turn it down? He deserved to be let go, but to wish bad things for him in his future because he did all he could seems pretty harsh to me. The guy was put in a horrible spot. I don't feel like he purposefully did bad, he just wasn't a good coach. I'd be more mad at IU's athletic department and all the other idiots who were involved with the hires of Davis and Sampson.
Bri, I agree with DC on this one. It was the Administration's fault. I don't blame Davis. Hell, I would have taken the job too. I call it the Myles Brand Domino Effect. It all started with his agenda to make a name for himself by firing Coach Knight and it all trickled down from there. I am not a Davis apologist, I am glad he resigned, but anyone of us would have taken that job if it were offered to us. The job should have never been offered to him, he should have been an iterim coach for that year and we should have searched for a more qualified candidate. We deserved that back then and the Administration failed in that aspect.

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i would have taken the job too, don't get me wrong. but i know that i'd sure as fuck make sure that my kids were in class every single day (and passing all of them). i'd also make sure they were disciplined and played within MY system. if not, i'd bench them. if they still were resistant, i'd cut them. if it meant forfeiting games to make a point, then so be it.

the point is, that doesn't take ANY experience....only common sense. That's something Davis had absolutely nothing of. so, fuck no, i don't feel sorry for that guy one second.

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boilergrad01 Nov 16 2008, 10:58 PM Post #18
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what kind of adult allows 18-22 year olds run a program? if you accept a head coaching job at one of the most prestigious college programs in the nation then you accept the responsibility. if you can't handle it, you should resign. i'm not in the business of making excuses for someone that doesn't fulfill the responsibilities of the job they applied for. i fire people for doing less than that.

br
Wasn't he named the interim coach after Knight was fired? And then he went to a Final Four. What was he supposed to do? Say "No, don't offer me millions of dollars and the keys to a great basketball program, I want to go back to being a low paid assistant coach."? The IU administration catered to a group of kids and it completely backfired on them.

Was Davis a good enough coach to coach at IU? Hell no, but if you are offered a great job like that, would you turn it down? He deserved to be let go, but to wish bad things for him in his future because he did all he could seems pretty harsh to me. The guy was put in a horrible spot. I don't feel like he purposefully did bad, he just wasn't a good coach. I'd be more mad at IU's athletic department and all the other idiots who were involved with the hires of Davis and Sampson.
Bri, I agree with DC on this one. It was the Administration's fault. I don't blame Davis. Hell, I would have taken the job too. I call it the Myles Brand Domino Effect. It all started with his agenda to make a name for himself by firing Coach Knight and it all trickled down from there. I am not a Davis apologist, I am glad he resigned, but anyone of us would have taken that job if it were offered to us. The job should have never been offered to him, he should have been an iterim coach for that year and we should have searched for a more qualified candidate. We deserved that back then and the Administration failed in that aspect.

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The Administration fucked up but they had help.

Quin Buckner if i remember correctly wanted him to get a contract and said so in Ass hall. The Admin was in a no win situation after the 2000-2001 season. Then the lucky final four run and he was cemented into the job. It went downhill from there. Davis was ready to be a coach just not at a high profile university.

I wish Mike Davis well but understand the contempt toward him it is unwarrented but I understand it.

Sampson that was totally on the Administration. Crean seems like a Politician to me and will probably have limited success next year and in 2010-2011 should have a decent season and make the NCAA's.

Other than that it is all speculation but the advantage for Crean is he is not replacing Knight he is restoring credibility to a program that is his real task return respectibility to Bloomington.

I wish him luck it is important for the Big ten and Purdue that IU becomes a top level program and the IU/PU game becomes a national level game again.
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HoosierLars Nov 17 2008, 01:06 AM Post #19
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It's more comparable to a lawyer with a year of experience being asked to be a partner in a law firm. That's his goal, but he didn't expect it to happen for 10+ years.
Or taking a lawyer who's been a community organizer with no executive experience, and hiring him to be the CEO of a major corporation, or the president of a large country.
As I read this thread, I was waiting for it. You didn't disappoint me, Lars.
Although Barrack is less experienced than Davis was, I hope he can keep us out of Depression 2.0, so I can afford to keep my cable and watch the next few years of Purdue and IU bball.
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Funny you brought up Obama, Lars. I was thinking of Palin as the political equivalent of Davis as soon as I read Cam's post.
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Funny you brought up Obama, Lars. I was thinking of Palin as the political equivalent of Davis as soon as I read Cam's post.
Is Obama so much less experienced than Davis, that you didn't think a comparison made sense? :P
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Funny you brought up Obama, Lars. I was thinking of Palin as the political equivalent of Davis as soon as I read Cam's post.
Is Obama so much less experienced than Davis, that you didn't think a comparison made sense? :P
they will never admit it lars............
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Funny you brought up Obama, Lars. I was thinking of Palin as the political equivalent of Davis as soon as I read Cam's post.
head coach equivalent to president
asst coach equivalent to vice president
reminder, palin wasnt running for president. it never ceases to amaze me how obamites have the nerve to talk about anyones experience.
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mike davis is an excuse making mule. he never was a stand up guy who took responsiblity for his incredibly poor coaching/recruiting decisions.

He made an incredible amount of money for leading IU into the ground and leveraged the IU name into an undeserved D1 head coaching career. If he wasn't black - he'd be coaching CYO girls right now.

fuck him.
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I'm with Cam on this. After getting a lucky trip to the final four and a big contract offer, no one here can say they'd turn it down because they "didn't deserve it". Of course Davis was going to accept. It was an opportunity of a life time.
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what bugged me about Davis and that contract is how he tried to publically strong arm IU and negotiate it in the media. IU was dumb enough to cave. but it showed me that Davis is not polished, has a big mouth and has a completely delusional opinion of his coaching abilities.

fuck him
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A lot of the professors agreed on the notion that Davis needed to learn when to shut the fuck up and coach his team.
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