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brumdog44 Nov 19 2008, 09:57 PM Post #1
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..in Chicago Tribune today on the wrap up of the Big Ten football season. It stated that several coaches feel that despite Lynch signing a long extension, he wouldn't be retained.

Here's to hoping.
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If only Hep was still around =/
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If only Hep was still around =/
God rest his soul, but he was only 9-14 in two seasons at IU.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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I miss Hep. He may have only been 9-14, but I still think he was the motivator the program needs
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Come and join in song together, shout with might and main. Our beloved Alma Mater, sound her praise again. Gloriana Frangipana, E'er to her be true. She's the pride of Indiana, Hail to Old IU!

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What was Painter in 2 years at Purdue?

Just wondering...
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What was Painter in 2 years at Purdue?

Just wondering...
31-31

As for Hep, I agree that he may very well have had the Hoosiers on track to be a perennial bowl team.
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What was Painter in 2 years at Purdue?

Just wondering...
He was only 31-31, but also signed a top 5-10 recruiting class before his second season. And in his first season, he lost four of his five starters by BT season (they were 6-5 going into the BT schedule). We were playing two walk-ons nearly 20 minutes a night. That'd be like Hep losing 17 starters in his first four games.
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“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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Hoeppner came into a pretty tough situation with a pretty crappy team and turned it around pretty quickly. Took the team to a bowl for the first time in a while. The fanbase was excited about IU football.

Painter came into a tough situation too, but he was named the "Associate Head Coach" the season prior. So really he had more time to work on his recruiting, etc. That 7-21 record as Associate Head Coach wasn't impressive.

All I'm saying is, coming from DC, that comment was surprising. I'd say it takes more than 2 years to turn around a football program as horrid as IU.
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Hoeppner came into a pretty tough situation with a pretty crappy team and turned it around pretty quickly. Took the team to a bowl for the first time in a while. The fanbase was excited about IU football.

Painter came into a tough situation too, but he was named the "Associate Head Coach" the season prior. So really he had more time to work on his recruiting, etc. That 7-21 record as Associate Head Coach wasn't impressive.

All I'm saying is, coming from DC, that comment was surprising. I'd say it takes more than 2 years to turn around a football program as horrid as IU.
I loved Hep's enthusiasm and he seemed like a great guy, but he never really showed me much as a coach. He had one really good season at Miami(OH) with Big Ben, but besides that, he went to one other bowl game and lost it. Neither of his IU teams went to bowl games. The one season they lost to Southern Illinois and Connecticut.

When he was the Associate Head Coach, he was nothing more than an assistant. Thats just a title that Purdue has on its staff. Cuonzo Martin was it last year, and Paul Lusk is it this year. That season was all on Keady, unless you want to give credit to every Associate Head Coach in America for wins and losses.

In BT play, Hep beat two 2-win Illinois teams, a 6-6 Iowa team, and a MSU team in middle of its JLS end of the season meltdown. One would think if he was such a coaching upgrade, he would win a few more games in a mediocre BT. I don't think IU's football program was the shooting rocket that many people thought it was.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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cam if you dont think hep would have turned this program into a perennial bowl team you are blinded by your dislike of IU. what he did in 2 years with a pathetic program was amazing
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What was Painter in 2 years at Purdue?

Just wondering...
He was only 31-31, but also signed a top 5-10 recruiting class before his second season. And in his first season, he lost four of his five starters by BT season (they were 6-5 going into the BT schedule). We were playing two walk-ons nearly 20 minutes a night. That'd be like Hep losing 17 starters in his first four games.
keep dismissing the 7-21 year
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Hoeppner came into a pretty tough situation with a pretty crappy team and turned it around pretty quickly. Took the team to a bowl for the first time in a while. The fanbase was excited about IU football.

Painter came into a tough situation too, but he was named the "Associate Head Coach" the season prior. So really he had more time to work on his recruiting, etc. That 7-21 record as Associate Head Coach wasn't impressive.

All I'm saying is, coming from DC, that comment was surprising. I'd say it takes more than 2 years to turn around a football program as horrid as IU.
I loved Hep's enthusiasm and he seemed like a great guy, but he never really showed me much as a coach. He had one really good season at Miami(OH) with Big Ben, but besides that, he went to one other bowl game and lost it. Neither of his IU teams went to bowl games. The one season they lost to Southern Illinois and Connecticut.

When he was the Associate Head Coach, he was nothing more than an assistant. Thats just a title that Purdue has on its staff. Cuonzo Martin was it last year, and Paul Lusk is it this year. That season was all on Keady, unless you want to give credit to every Associate Head Coach in America for wins and losses.

In BT play, Hep beat two 2-win Illinois teams, a 6-6 Iowa team, and a MSU team in middle of its JLS end of the season meltdown. One would think if he was such a coaching upgrade, he would win a few more games in a mediocre BT. I don't think IU's football program was the shooting rocket that many people thought it was.
turning around a 80 person football team is a lot harder and takes much more time than a 12 person b-ball team


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The one season they lost to Southern Illinois and Connecticut.

Would it surprise you if I told you who coached those 2 games that year?


Bill Lynch....surprise, surprise.


Those were the 2 games Hep missed because of the surgery.
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What was Painter in 2 years at Purdue?

Just wondering...
He was only 31-31, but also signed a top 5-10 recruiting class before his second season. And in his first season, he lost four of his five starters by BT season (they were 6-5 going into the BT schedule). We were playing two walk-ons nearly 20 minutes a night. That'd be like Hep losing 17 starters in his first four games.
keep dismissing the 7-21 year
shit - Crean lost his entire team and had no time to recruit for this season.

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Wow, gotta say even I'm surprised Cam is dogging Coach Hep. When Hep was hired he was one of the top 10 winningest coaches in college football with a winning percentage over 650. As another person pointed out, he was absent during the SI and UConn game, otherwsie I think we would have indeed went to a bowl game 2 years ago.

Also, his constant health problems hampered his recruiting in 2 ways. First by not being able to be out on the trail as much. And second by other coaches constantly telling recruits that he wouldn't last IU because of health (which as it turned out they were correct). However, in his short time he significantly improved recruiting, especially within the state of Indiana.

In 2005, Purdue landed 8 of the top 10 Indiana recruits. Indiana landed 0. In Hoeppners only 2 classes ('06 and '07) Indiana landed 9 of the top players in-state. Purdue landed 2. This includes guys likes Will Patterson, Cody Faulkner, Jeff Boyd, and Greg Middleton. He even got Finch to commit for a while. Even though Finch didn't stay, the change in attitude of recruits towards IU was significantly altered.

And of course none of this includes the job he did with attendance and getting new facilities, both of which Indiana desperately needs from a football coach.

Indiana was definitely on their way under Hep. It showed last year when Lynch didn't change any schemes because it was too close to the season. This year he instituted the no-huddle and the terrible off-ball defense and you can see the results. I just hope Indiana can find someone even remotely close to Hep for their next coach.
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