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dçamden03 Nov 20 2008, 04:57 PM Post #16
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I'm not dogging Hep, he just didn't produce. I was an absolutely huge fan of him, and wanted the best for him, but I just don't think he had what it took to turn IU around on a consistent basis.

And words can't explain how happy I am that IU has taken over the in-state recruiting in football from Purdue. That '05 class where we got the top 8 produced more busts than any class that Purdue has ever had. Lymon, Paxson, Werner (unfortunately), Dray Mason, Frank Halliburton, Christian Graham and Joey Elliot have done next to nothing for this program, and probably set us back a year. Baker has been alright, but really should be a rotation player and not a starter. Mike Neal has been good this year and has the potential to be really good next year. Zwilling may start next year, but it'll be his first time.

If you put together a good team, any assistant coach on the staff should be able to lead them to wins over a D2 school and UCONN, which I believe was in its first or second year at the D1 level. Indiana has tried to schedule bowl games, nothing major has changed within the program IMO. IU hasn't played a BCS school OOC in 3 years.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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Unbiased Nov 20 2008, 05:00 PM Post #17
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who cares.

turdue and IU are both dogshit programs.

at least IU fans can admit this unlike the delusional turdue homers like paint chips
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did Southern Illinois have Brandon Jacobs when we lost to them? If so, that explains a lot.
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dçamden03 Nov 20 2008, 05:18 PM Post #19
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did Southern Illinois have Brandon Jacobs when we lost to them? If so, that explains a lot.
That'd be a negative. That was the year after Jacobs graduated.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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oh, well we must have just sucked then. one of the IU football historians help me out. Didn't we beat So. Ill when they had Jacobs at one point?
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lynch has lost this team. i know several players and they all doubt his and matt canada's coaching abilities..
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I'm not dogging Hep, he just didn't produce. I was an absolutely huge fan of him, and wanted the best for him, but I just don't think he had what it took to turn IU around on a consistent basis.

And words can't explain how happy I am that IU has taken over the in-state recruiting in football from Purdue. That '05 class where we got the top 8 produced more busts than any class that Purdue has ever had. Lymon, Paxson, Werner (unfortunately), Dray Mason, Frank Halliburton, Christian Graham and Joey Elliot have done next to nothing for this program, and probably set us back a year. Baker has been alright, but really should be a rotation player and not a starter. Mike Neal has been good this year and has the potential to be really good next year. Zwilling may start next year, but it'll be his first time.

If you put together a good team, any assistant coach on the staff should be able to lead them to wins over a D2 school and UCONN, which I believe was in its first or second year at the D1 level. Indiana has tried to schedule bowl games, nothing major has changed within the program IMO. IU hasn't played a BCS school OOC in 3 years.
Your thinking is so bass ackwards I don't even know where to begin.

"Words can't explain how happy I am that IU took over in-state recruiting." - Good. I hope it stays that way. Apparantly because your '05 class was a bust it means there are no good recruits that come out of Indiana and you would never want another kid from in-state again. Because who wants guys like Chris Wells, Greg Middleton, or AJ Edds? Not Purdue!

"If you put together a good team, any assistant coach on the staff should be able to lead them to wins over a D2 school and UCONN" - Let's see, that was Hep's 2nd season. Which means he had one recruiting class at IU and they were all freshman who were redshirted. If you think that team was poorly put together then you should probably be blaming Gerry Dinardo.

Indiana in the 3 years before Hep - 8 wins
Indiana in Hep's 2 years - 9 wins
If you include the bowl year with Hep's recruits and schemes - 16 wins in 3 years (double the previous 3 years)

But I guess in your opinion Hep never "produced" while he was at Indiana.
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I'm not dogging Hep, he just didn't produce. I was an absolutely huge fan of him, and wanted the best for him, but I just don't think he had what it took to turn IU around on a consistent basis.

And words can't explain how happy I am that IU has taken over the in-state recruiting in football from Purdue. That '05 class where we got the top 8 produced more busts than any class that Purdue has ever had. Lymon, Paxson, Werner (unfortunately), Dray Mason, Frank Halliburton, Christian Graham and Joey Elliot have done next to nothing for this program, and probably set us back a year. Baker has been alright, but really should be a rotation player and not a starter. Mike Neal has been good this year and has the potential to be really good next year. Zwilling may start next year, but it'll be his first time.

If you put together a good team, any assistant coach on the staff should be able to lead them to wins over a D2 school and UCONN, which I believe was in its first or second year at the D1 level. Indiana has tried to schedule bowl games, nothing major has changed within the program IMO. IU hasn't played a BCS school OOC in 3 years.
Your thinking is so bass ackwards I don't even know where to begin.

"Words can't explain how happy I am that IU took over in-state recruiting." - Good. I hope it stays that way. Apparantly because your '05 class was a bust it means there are no good recruits that come out of Indiana and you would never want another kid from in-state again. Because who wants guys like Chris Wells, Greg Middleton, or AJ Edds? Not Purdue!

"If you put together a good team, any assistant coach on the staff should be able to lead them to wins over a D2 school and UCONN" - Let's see, that was Hep's 2nd season. Which means he had one recruiting class at IU and they were all freshman who were redshirted. If you think that team was poorly put together then you should probably be blaming Gerry Dinardo.

Indiana in the 3 years before Hep - 8 wins
Indiana in Hep's 2 years - 9 wins
If you include the bowl year with Hep's recruits and schemes - 16 wins in 3 years (double the previous 3 years)

But I guess in your opinion Hep never "produced" while he was at Indiana.
Look at the schedules. The three years before Hep, IU played 2 or 3 BCS schools OOC per year. In the 4 years since, IU has played only 2 total.

Who is Chris Wells? Edds was '06, and is doing pretty well at Iowa. How is Middleton doing this year? It seems to me that most of IU's good players come from outside of Indiana.
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“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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So the 2 OOC BCS opponents we dropped are responsible for the 9 extra wins? Look at in conference wins if you want. In the 3 years before Hep we won 3 total conference games. In Hep's 2 years we won 4. If you include last year it makes 7 conference wins. More than double the previous 3 years.

For a minute I thought Wells was from Indiana, but he's not. So scratch that.

If you don't think Greg Middleton has talent...well then I guess he just got lucky when he led the nation in sacks.

I can expand the list of you like? Will Patterson, Darren Evans, Jewell Hampton, Jerimy Finch, Dexter Larimore, James Hardy, Steve Brown and I can't even track the guys that weren't well known coming out of HS and are starting for their team now. Lord knows Ball State probably has some guys that both IU and Purdue could use.


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So the 2 OOC BCS opponents we dropped are responsible for the 9 extra wins? Look at in conference wins if you want. In the 3 years before Hep we won 3 total conference games. In Hep's 2 years we won 4. If you include last year it makes 7 conference wins. More than double the previous 3 years.

For a minute I thought Wells was from Indiana, but he's not. So scratch that.

If you don't think Greg Middleton has talent...well then I guess he just got lucky when he led the nation in sacks.

I can expand the list of you like? Will Patterson, Darren Evans, Jewell Hampton, Jerimy Finch, Dexter Larimore, James Hardy, Steve Brown and I can't even track the guys that weren't well known coming out of HS and are starting for their team now. Lord knows Ball State probably has some guys that both IU and Purdue could use.


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cant wait to hear dcams dumbass comeback here.......you go dreach, you are bitch slapping his ass on this one!
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So the 2 OOC BCS opponents we dropped are responsible for the 9 extra wins? Look at in conference wins if you want. In the 3 years before Hep we won 3 total conference games. In Hep's 2 years we won 4. If you include last year it makes 7 conference wins. More than double the previous 3 years.

For a minute I thought Wells was from Indiana, but he's not. So scratch that.

If you don't think Greg Middleton has talent...well then I guess he just got lucky when he led the nation in sacks.

I can expand the list of you like? Will Patterson, Darren Evans, Jewell Hampton, Jerimy Finch, Dexter Larimore, James Hardy, Steve Brown and I can't even track the guys that weren't well known coming out of HS and are starting for their team now. Lord knows Ball State probably has some guys that both IU and Purdue could use.


Is the Stevie Brown you are talking about the one who went to Columbus East and now plays for Michigan. If so, I played against him, and he is a beast. Best football player I have ever played against. Hands down.
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So the 2 OOC BCS opponents we dropped are responsible for the 9 extra wins? Look at in conference wins if you want. In the 3 years before Hep we won 3 total conference games. In Hep's 2 years we won 4. If you include last year it makes 7 conference wins. More than double the previous 3 years.

For a minute I thought Wells was from Indiana, but he's not. So scratch that.

If you don't think Greg Middleton has talent...well then I guess he just got lucky when he led the nation in sacks.

I can expand the list of you like? Will Patterson, Darren Evans, Jewell Hampton, Jerimy Finch, Dexter Larimore, James Hardy, Steve Brown and I can't even track the guys that weren't well known coming out of HS and are starting for their team now. Lord knows Ball State probably has some guys that both IU and Purdue could use.


marqueis gray, tandon doss, jordan brewer, morgan newton, desmond tardy, stephen willis, jason onyebuagu, andrew mcdonald, chris adkins, chad spann. the indianapolis area, and specifically the MIC conference is STACKED.
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So the 2 OOC BCS opponents we dropped are responsible for the 9 extra wins? Look at in conference wins if you want. In the 3 years before Hep we won 3 total conference games. In Hep's 2 years we won 4. If you include last year it makes 7 conference wins. More than double the previous 3 years.

For a minute I thought Wells was from Indiana, but he's not. So scratch that.

If you don't think Greg Middleton has talent...well then I guess he just got lucky when he led the nation in sacks.

I can expand the list of you like? Will Patterson, Darren Evans, Jewell Hampton, Jerimy Finch, Dexter Larimore, James Hardy, Steve Brown and I can't even track the guys that weren't well known coming out of HS and are starting for their team now. Lord knows Ball State probably has some guys that both IU and Purdue could use.


Is the Stevie Brown you are talking about the one who went to Columbus East and now plays for Michigan. If so, I played against him, and he is a beast. Best football player I have ever played against. Hands down.
That's the one

How bout Darren Evans over at VT? He's a freshman and has run for 800 yards and 9 TDs already. I think he's officially taken over the starting job, but I'm not sure about that. Definitely would have been nice to grab him...not that Lynch would have used him, but whatever.
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someone create a special ed board for paint chips
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