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Indiana at Wake Forest predictions
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timpickett22 Dec 1 2008, 08:37 PM Post #16
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They are going to kill us on the glass. They have 7 guys that are 6'8" or taller.

Did we try to recruit Teague? If not, then that was a mistake. This Indy boy's got game.
He was offered by IU and was in his final 4 or 5. I'm still upset that Purdue didn't have room for him and couldn't offer. Him or Howard in Martin's place would have been pretty nice for us.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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That is why you oversign.
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dçamden03 Dec 1 2008, 09:03 PM Post #19
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DC,

That is why you oversign.
And how could you have foreseen Martin leaving? And how do you justify signing 5 freshmen in one class? Thats a very unbalanced recruiting cycle, and it absolutely forces someone to leave, whether they want to or not.

I hope we never do it, regardless of if we miss out on a single player or not. I'd rather the program have principles and integrity, and not just be in the business of adding as many players as possible, and if one gets left out in the cold, tough luck. Its an absolute horrible message IMO.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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It wasn't martin leaving that would have made room for Howard or Teague. Reid and NC hold the Scollies that Howard and Teague could be using. We lost three players after 2006-2007 Painter has had at least one defection every year.

Purdue fucked up on Teague/Howard live and learn
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DC,

It wasn't martin leaving that would have made room for Howard or Teague. Reid and NC hold the Scollies that Howard and Teague could be using. We lost three players after 2006-2007 Painter has had at least one defection every year.

Purdue fucked up on Teague/Howard live and learn
Reid and NC were JC kids meaning there only take up 2 years. If we signed both Teague and Howard we would have only 2 spots for the 09 class and 1 for the 10' class. It would be nice to have Teague and Howard dont get me wrong. But it is better for the program that you spread it out.
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DC,

It wasn't martin leaving that would have made room for Howard or Teague. Reid and NC hold the Scollies that Howard and Teague could be using. We lost three players after 2006-2007 Painter has had at least one defection every year.

Purdue fucked up on Teague/Howard live and learn
Your timeline is all wrong. We had one scholarship for Howard/Martin and offers out to both. Martin pulled the trigger first and Howard chose Butler. Teague never had an offer because we were pretty well off in the backcourt. Here is the timeline:

6/26/06- Johnson chooses Purdue
7/14/06- Moore chooses Purdue
7/17/06- Hummel chooses Purdue
7/12/06- Martin chooses Purdue (no scholarships left)
8/??/06- Howard chooses Butler
9/1/06- Teague chooses Wake
April/May of 07- Vandeverien and Uchendu leave Purdue, opening up two spots
June/Jule of '07- Reid and Calasan commit to Purdue

Reid and Calasan filled spots opened up by Dan V and Uchendu, they didn't take potential spots from Howard/Teague. There is only so much room per class, and by the time we would have had more room for Howard and a scholarship for Teague, they had signed LOIs elsewhere. Plus, you can't take 6 freshmen per class, thats insanity.
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“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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DC,

It wasn't martin leaving that would have made room for Howard or Teague. Reid and NC hold the Scollies that Howard and Teague could be using. We lost three players after 2006-2007 Painter has had at least one defection every year.

Purdue fucked up on Teague/Howard live and learn
Reid and NC were JC kids meaning there only take up 2 years. If we signed both Teague and Howard we would have only 2 spots for the 09 class and 1 for the 10' class. It would be nice to have Teague and Howard dont get me wrong. But it is better for the program that you spread it out.
Thanks for explaining how it works. Hmmm this year if we only brought in lewJack and didn't take Hart and Smith wow we could still have had a 6 man class and them when Martin left it would have been a 5 person class and Teague probably will go Pro before he uses up all five years. You can only oversign by 1 so in all seriousness we could have only added one of Teague/Howard. It could have worked but I like the team we have just take advantage of the ability to oversign
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Blowout unless IU can somehow shoot over 60% from 3.
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DC,

It wasn't martin leaving that would have made room for Howard or Teague. Reid and NC hold the Scollies that Howard and Teague could be using. We lost three players after 2006-2007 Painter has had at least one defection every year.

Purdue fucked up on Teague/Howard live and learn
Your timeline is all wrong. We had one scholarship for Howard/Martin and offers out to both. Martin pulled the trigger first and Howard chose Butler. Teague never had an offer because we were pretty well off in the backcourt. Here is the timeline:

6/26/06- Johnson chooses Purdue
7/14/06- Moore chooses Purdue
7/17/06- Hummel chooses Purdue
7/12/06- Martin chooses Purdue (no scholarships left)
8/??/06- Howard chooses Butler
9/1/06- Teague chooses Wake
April/May of 07- Vandeverien and Uchendu leave Purdue, opening up two spots
June/Jule of '07- Reid and Calasan commit to Purdue
DC,

I understand the timeline. a team can oversign by one. That means we could have sighned Howard/Teague and been over by one scholly. Then when the 3 left in the spring 2007 we would have been sound. I understand we couldn't have sighned all 6.

My point is sometimes you need to oversign.
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I'm with dcamden. I hope Painter never puts himself in a position where he might have to take away someone's scholarship.

As for the IU/WF game, IU 48, Wake 81
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I am going to call this a morale victory, Wake Forest by 17.
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BTown11 Dec 1 2008, 11:35 PM Post #29
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DC,

That is why you oversign.
And how could you have foreseen Martin leaving? And how do you justify signing 5 freshmen in one class? Thats a very unbalanced recruiting cycle, and it absolutely forces someone to leave, whether they want to or not.

I hope we never do it, regardless of if we miss out on a single player or not. I'd rather the program have principles and integrity, and not just be in the business of adding as many players as possible, and if one gets left out in the cold, tough luck. Its an absolute horrible message IMO.
agreed. i hate essentially sending the message that someone is going to have to leave -- however, IU had some extenuating circumstances this year. matt howard never seriously considered purdue, so i don't think you'd have to worry about that; teague on the other hand is a different story.
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87-62 Wake. I think I may be generous here.
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