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John Hart Update
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dçamden03 Jan 14 2009, 12:39 AM Post #1
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This kid is good for the program. He may never start and score double figures a night, but if we have this type of athlete and player as our 13th guy, we are going to be in good shape. He's a very valuable player to have in practices. In the past when players were hurt, we had trouble going 5 on 5, and that was even using our walk-ons. Having this guy in practice on the scout team and just to compete against our guys is very good. Here is the Rivals article about him.

http://purdue.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=899891


John Hart's game day occurs when barely anyone else is around to see it.

Around the time Robbie Hummel, JaJuan Johnson and the other Boilermakers are just arriving to Mackey Arena for home games, Hart may already be on the court, working out in front of only whatever ushers and media personnel are scurrying around Keady Court, hours before tip-off.

Such is life, though, for the freshman guard as he redshirts this season.

In part to keep him engaged in the game-day experience amidst the isolated feeling that can come with sitting out, Purdue's coaches have Hart dressed and ready at least two hours prior to each home game's tip-off, either to go through an individual workout with an assistant coach, or get some extra weight-lifting in.

"Sometimes it's hard for a redshirt, a kid who's not playing, to not become stagnant," said assistant coach Paul Lusk, who'd know, after sitting out himself in college after transferring from Iowa to Southern Illinois. "It can give a kid something to look forward to."

That doesn't make it any easier for Hart once the game begins.

He dresses and warms up, like any of his other teammates would, but unlike them, he knows for certain he's not leaving the bench once the game tips off.

It's the same story on the road; he travels to any away games that don't force him to miss classes.

"It can be (difficult)," Hart said, "especially watching close games with big crowds, when your adrenaline's pumping and you just want to get out there and play.

"All you can do is cheer your team on."

But the charge of any redshirt is to use not getting the opportunity to play as an opportunity, as tortured as that logic may initially seem.

"You can look at it like, 'I'm not going to play,'" Hart said, "or you can look at it as a chance to get better and develop and sit back and watch what's going on and get ready for next year."

With that said, the 6-foot-2 guard, a late spring addition to this year's freshman class, is trying to improve through this season on the sideline.

He gets to lift weights more than those who are playing and have to worry about wearing themselves out; since arriving on campus, Hart's added about seven pounds of muscle, bringing him to nearly 200.

And having played primarily away from the ball at Beech Grove High School, he's sought to improve his ball-handling and footwork, as well as the release on his jumper.

"You can tell there are days where he has more energy than others, but he looks like he's progressed well," said junior Chris Kramer, one of the veterans Hart works against on the scout team in practice. "You can see there's a lot of potential there. He's a great defender and he has a good body. He can shoot the ball and he's athletic."

Though he was a 20-point-per-game scorer in high school, teammates and coaches also describe Hart as having a great deal of potential defensively.

"The one thing he can do is he can really defend on the ball," Lusk said. "He's strong and he's a good rebounding guard. And he can make some shots."

Hart projects as giving the Boilermakers a more physical presence in the backcourt, as well.

"He's gotten better in a lot of areas," Lusk said. "The one thing he's ready for right now is the physicality of college basketball. He's a strong physical kid. He can handle that."

Hart played in both of Purdue's exhibition games to start the season, after which Coach Matt Painter asked him to redshirt. He hung his head initially, facing the prospect of sitting out the season.

But he soon warmed up to the potential payout, which he's trying to maximize.

"In practice," Hart said, "I just have to tell myself that I have to go hard, like it's my game day."

“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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chops1221 Jan 14 2009, 12:47 AM Post #2
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Meh.

Appreciate you posting it, but it's mostly a feel-good article from Rivals that doesn't tell us much new information.
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dçamden03 Jan 14 2009, 12:58 AM Post #3
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Meh.

Appreciate you posting it, but it's mostly a feel-good article from Rivals that doesn't tell us much new information.
I thought the comments from Coach Lusk and Chris Kramer was some solid info. There have been quite a few doubts on having him on scholarship and how we could use that elsewhere, namely for Donnie Hale. I think this shows that the people in the program think he has what it takes to earn his scholarship.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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BTown11 Jan 14 2009, 01:00 AM Post #4
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woah. i had no idea that hart was playing for purdue. i remember playing against him at beech grove, he had a nice shot, and you can tell he knows the game. if he would have played in a MIC system he would have been scholarship potential for sure.

*check that. he has a scholarship.*
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dçamden03 Jan 14 2009, 01:10 AM Post #5
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woah. i had no idea that hart was playing for purdue. i remember playing against him at beech grove, he had a nice shot, and you can tell he knows the game. if he would have played in a MIC system he would have been scholarship potential for sure.

*check that. he has a scholarship.*
Yup, he got a scholarship late in the process from Purdue. I think it was in May or so. He has potential. He's 6'2 200 now and has loads of athleticism. He can shoot it well at times, even though he can be inconsistent. He's the type of kid that is nice to have as your 13th guy. D1 athleticism and body, but is willing to play his role in the program, whether that be playing well on the scout team, challenging the starters in drills on a day to day basis, or coming in and playing a solid 3 or 4 minutes at a time.

His recruitment was pretty much out of nowhere. As I understand it, he didn't play much AAU ball so he wasn't very well known. Painter got a tip from a HS coach about him at a HS coaches clinic. One day while he was in Indy recruiting Bade, he had time in his schedule before going over to FC so he called up Hart's coach and they set up an impromptu open gym. Saw him one time, liked his athleticism and ability. Hart visited campus the following weekend, got an offer, and accepted it.

All of that on a tip from a couple of Indiana HS coaches and one open gym. Can't say Painter isn't willing to take a risk in recruiting.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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BTown11 Jan 14 2009, 01:20 AM Post #6
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nah, i never played him on the AAU circuit, but that's not really usual considering that he's from beech grove. most of the indy-area AAU teams just take kids off of the big schools. or it'll be like the coach of (x) team is the father of a player at (x) school, so most of the kids on that team would be from the same school, or a friend of someone from that school. that's how i got my spot, lol.
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dçamden03 Jan 14 2009, 01:27 AM Post #7
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nah, i never played him on the AAU circuit, but that's not really usual considering that he's from beech grove. most of the indy-area AAU teams just take kids off of the big schools. or it'll be like the coach of (x) team is the father of a player at (x) school, so most of the kids on that team would be from the same school, or a friend of someone from that school. that's how i got my spot, lol.
Yeah, it was odd though that he was the Marion County POY last year and was relatively unknown. Granted, there weren't very many great seniors last year, but thats still an odd situation.

I think he's got a chance to be a solid program guy for us. Never a star, but you can't have 13 stars on your team.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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BTown11 Jan 14 2009, 01:31 AM Post #8
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nah, i never played him on the AAU circuit, but that's not really usual considering that he's from beech grove. most of the indy-area AAU teams just take kids off of the big schools. or it'll be like the coach of (x) team is the father of a player at (x) school, so most of the kids on that team would be from the same school, or a friend of someone from that school. that's how i got my spot, lol.
Yeah, it was odd though that he was the Marion County POY last year
obviously, Marion County POY is an honor, and he certainly earned that award for a reason (and let me first clarify that i don't have much background on his winning of the award); but i know for a fact that politics has a lot to do with that award. hart was definitely a diamond in the rough, he was WAAYYY too good for the players he played with. I think one game we played them we won 90-43 or so, and i think he had 27 points or something. i think you said it best, he has a chance to be a solid contributor, but he will never be a "star".

but heck, if your 13th man pushes the 12th man to get better, and the chain continues up, that's all you can really ask for. really speaks for the tremendous depth of purdue.
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Exactly. Having our first team be able to practice against John Hart types instead of Bobby Riddell and Brett Finklemeier type players is very important. Also, in a couple of years when we bring in Johnson and Johnson as combo guards, we'll be able to simulate BT type athleticism in workouts and preseason practices which should help in their adjustment to the college level, especially early in the season.

I think people forget that this year, Purdue only really has 10 scholarship worthy players on its roster. Thats 3 less than most schools (except for IU obviously). When Kramer and Hummel are hurt, its really hard to practice at a high level because you can't really go 5 on 5 and still be productive. Next season, we'll be at 12, and the season after will be the first time under Painter that we'll have a full compliment of scholarship players. Its a long process coming from where we were. Its only going to get better. Same for IU, next season when there is a roster full of scholarship players, it'll be easier for Crean to teach, coach, and develop players.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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Its a long process coming from where we were. Its only going to get better. Same for IU, next season when there is a roster full of scholarship players, it'll be easier for Crean to teach, coach, and develop players.
i think couch quaterbacks who have never played organized sports sometimes fail to understand the importance of simulation in practice. film is one thing, but if you don't have the chance to actually practice and execute gameplan in a full simulation, you will never be able to do it in the game.
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Its a long process coming from where we were. Its only going to get better. Same for IU, next season when there is a roster full of scholarship players, it'll be easier for Crean to teach, coach, and develop players.
i think couch quaterbacks who have never played organized sports sometimes fail to understand the importance of simulation in practice. film is one thing, but if you don't have the chance to actually practice and execute gameplan in a full simulation, you will never be able to do it in the game.
Yup, a lot of people think if a player isn't playing 25-30 minutes a night and scoring double digits that he is worthless to a basketball program.

Even at IU right now, you can see that type of affect. I'm guessing having Rivers in practice is helping Jones very much right now. I also think that Story and Williams are helping themselves out quite a bit because they probably go at it in practice quite a bit and both are D1 level players. Pritchard has been good, but without another post player there to help him develop, it seems like he is kind of stagnant right now. Jobe and Taber can only help so much.

Building a program is a long process. There is much more that goes into it than the result on gameday. A lot of people can't get over that and just like the winning and hate the losing. The ones calling for heads and transfers because of bad play from young players are the fans that disgust me.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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Its a long process coming from where we were. Its only going to get better. Same for IU, next season when there is a roster full of scholarship players, it'll be easier for Crean to teach, coach, and develop players.
i think couch quaterbacks who have never played organized sports sometimes fail to understand the importance of simulation in practice. film is one thing, but if you don't have the chance to actually practice and execute gameplan in a full simulation, you will never be able to do it in the game.
The ones calling for heads and transfers because of bad play from young players are the fans that disgust me.
amen.

i remember my sophomore year, half the kids on our team graduated, so 4/5 of our starters were freshmen/sophomores, we had no seniors on the team. there was so much inexperience, and we struggled greatly that season. i think we went 14-15. the next season, after we all had varsity experience and added an ohio state recruit to the mix, we went 18-4 and one game short of regionals (mostly because of a certain player named greg oden). experience and practice can do wonders for a team.
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i remember playing against him at beech grove, he had a nice shot, and you can tell he knows the game.
thank you, thank you very much.


cam deserves a lot of credit too. one day when the BTown/DC Scouting Service opens up you'll all know about the John Harts of the world far in advance.
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19 of 56, 10 of 31. Hell of a shooter.
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