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HoosierLars Jan 25 2009, 08:07 PM Post #16
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1. Marijuana can cause a loss of ambition, and generally fuck up your life. I've seen this happen to multiple friends.
There is the potential for abuse when dealing with any substance. The consequences of alcohol abuse are far more damning that of marijuana abuse.
Agreed. I had one friend who was an excellent athlete, and he lost his mojo after smoking pot. It obviously doesn't fuck everyone up, but there is a legitimate risk, and some people can't handle it.
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No offense, but you couldn't be further from the truth! I've dealt with numerous "dealers" in my day, including a little foray into the art myself. Hell, I'd be willing to wager I've taken more and a greater variety of illicit substances than any reg on this board. Not something I'm proud of necessarily, but not something I'm ashamed of either.

Don't mistake my lack of current usage for a lack in understanding on the topic of drugs. Back during my freshman and sophomore years of high school I used to spend hours on end poring over articles at www.erowid.org. My friends used to come to me with all drug-related questions, I was like a friggin' encyclopedia.
Well, I'm not going to compare drug lists with you, but I highly doubt you know very much about the world I dealt with for a few years. I will tell you that I have half a dozen friends that are now in prison and will be for the next few decades. I had friends who had paid bodyguards that carried automatics and also owned businesses to funnel their money into. I've lost count of how many times I had paranoid people with guns shoving them in my face. It was definitely an interesting fun world at the time, but looking back, it was some of the most reckless things I've ever done by far.

My experiences might be clouding my judgment, since I guess this isn't that typical, but at that point in my life, I had a crowd of somewhere around 50 people that I hung out with regularly. Every one started smoking pot occasionally in high school, and everyone would do cocaine if offered. If they never smoked pot, they never would've went into this world where things spiral out of control. When you do one thing illegal and get away with it, it allows you to continue on. You take greater risks.

You're a prime example. You started out doing pot and now apparently have done a great variety, so I'm not sure how you can say it isn't a 'gateway' drug. Like I've said, it's not the drug, but the people that you meet, which would change if it was legalized. If you never smoked pot, do you think you'd be hanging around these people that offered you other substances? I've had people randomly come-up and offer me alcohol, pot, and shrooms, but I've never seen someone offer heroin because nobody just one day decides, "Sure, I'll inject that in my veins." There's steps, and pot is the first one into that world for almost everyone.
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ok, I have never done any illegal drugs in my life (not because I am against them, but when I was younger I always had drug-testing jobs), so these conversations intrigue the hell out of me. I am a very tense person with frequent anxiety issues, do to the stress level of my career. I have a feeling that an occasional joint would do me a lot of good, and I have heard repeatedly that it isn't really that bad for you at all if done in moderation. Do you think it is possible to just use it from time to time to calm down, yet still stay sharp and not become a deadbeat?
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The second is that, if marijuana were legal, it would be more economical to have cannabis drinks like bhang (a traditional drink in the Middle East) or tea which are totally non-carcinogenic.
have any of you guys ever experience one of these drinks? I didn't even know it existed until this post.
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I went to FIJI in the Coast Guard in 1993 and they had some liquid mixture that was an opium base. The Command not thouroughly read up on the drink recommended we try some. They said it made your mouth numb. I never drank any because the had 40's of Fiji Bitter for $1. I know that some liquid forms of drugs do exist off of that experience.
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ok, I have never done any illegal drugs in my life (not because I am against them, but when I was younger I always had drug-testing jobs), so these conversations intrigue the hell out of me. I am a very tense person with frequent anxiety issues, do to the stress level of my career. I have a feeling that an occasional joint would do me a lot of good, and I have heard repeatedly that it isn't really that bad for you at all if done in moderation. Do you think it is possible to just use it from time to time to calm down, yet still stay sharp and not become a deadbeat?
That really all depends on your personality. It doesn't have the addictive chemicals like nicotine, so repeat users do so because they enjoy it. When I was spending my time with this crowd, I was smoking pot probably five times a day while doing very well in college. Whenever I needed to quit for job interviews, it was never a big deal. Really, the only reason I smoked that much was because I could still function well. Mind you that about an hour after smoking an average amount, you're normally very close to being sober. So in your case being busy with jobs and a family, I doubt you'd have a problem only smoking occasionally. I'd just recommend smoking by yourself.
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ok, I have never done any illegal drugs in my life (not because I am against them, but when I was younger I always had drug-testing jobs), so these conversations intrigue the hell out of me. I am a very tense person with frequent anxiety issues, do to the stress level of my career. I have a feeling that an occasional joint would do me a lot of good, and I have heard repeatedly that it isn't really that bad for you at all if done in moderation. Do you think it is possible to just use it from time to time to calm down, yet still stay sharp and not become a deadbeat?
If what you have is working for you, why try anything different. I don't think it is going to make you a deadbeat, but on the other hand you don't strike me as the type of person who would enjoy it.
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ok, I have never done any illegal drugs in my life (not because I am against them, but when I was younger I always had drug-testing jobs), so these conversations intrigue the hell out of me. I am a very tense person with frequent anxiety issues, do to the stress level of my career. I have a feeling that an occasional joint would do me a lot of good, and I have heard repeatedly that it isn't really that bad for you at all if done in moderation. Do you think it is possible to just use it from time to time to calm down, yet still stay sharp and not become a deadbeat?
it can calm some people down; others it makes paranoid. if you have "anxiety issues" anyway, you might be inclined to become extremely paranoid while under the influence of marijuana. a quick story from my youth...
back in '87 4 of us drove up to MSA to watch motley crue. i was driving, 3 of us regularly smoked pot and 1 never had. we got him STONED (i mean this shit was killer even for those of us with some tolerance.) he totally flipped the fuck out. he was just paranoid about EVERYTHING. cops gonna pull us over, i was gonna wreck, his heart was racing and he was afraid it was gonna stop, etc... i just kept driving and of course, nothing happened to any of us.
after he came down, he said his biggest fear was he knew how fucked up his judgement was and knowing i had smoked as well and was DRIVING it just caused him to have a panic attack. i dont think he's ever tried it again.
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ok, I have never done any illegal drugs in my life (not because I am against them, but when I was younger I always had drug-testing jobs), so these conversations intrigue the hell out of me. I am a very tense person with frequent anxiety issues, do to the stress level of my career. I have a feeling that an occasional joint would do me a lot of good, and I have heard repeatedly that it isn't really that bad for you at all if done in moderation. Do you think it is possible to just use it from time to time to calm down, yet still stay sharp and not become a deadbeat?
If what you have is working for you, why try anything different. I don't think it is going to make you a deadbeat, but on the other hand you don't strike me as the type of person who would enjoy it.
I wouldn't do it unless it was legal, but I was more curious as to what you guys thought the draw would be for someone like me. I actually think it should be legal based on what I know about it, and if it was I would probably give it a try.

BTW, what is "working for me" now to relieve stress & anxiety is playing active sports like basketball & volleyball. I tore my MCL, however, about 2 months ago, so I have been very limited, and going crazy. I can still lift weights and do some basic cardio, but it is the competitive aspect of athletic sports that keeps me chill....right now I am driving my wife (4 months pregnant) absolutely crazy!
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ok, I have never done any illegal drugs in my life (not because I am against them, but when I was younger I always had drug-testing jobs), so these conversations intrigue the hell out of me. I am a very tense person with frequent anxiety issues, do to the stress level of my career. I have a feeling that an occasional joint would do me a lot of good, and I have heard repeatedly that it isn't really that bad for you at all if done in moderation. Do you think it is possible to just use it from time to time to calm down, yet still stay sharp and not become a deadbeat?
If what you have is working for you, why try anything different. I don't think it is going to make you a deadbeat, but on the other hand you don't strike me as the type of person who would enjoy it.
I wouldn't do it unless it was legal, but I was more curious as to what you guys thought the draw would be for someone like me. I actually think it should be legal based on what I know about it, and if it was I would probably give it a try.

BTW, what is "working for me" now to relieve stress & anxiety is playing active sports like basketball & volleyball. I tore my MCL, however, about 2 months ago, so I have been very limited, and going crazy. I can still lift weights and do some basic cardio, but it is the competitive aspect of athletic sports that keeps me chill....right now I am driving my wife (4 months pregnant) absolutely crazy!
how many kids do you have aaron? and best of luck with her pregnancy. (ive got 4 kids and my wife has miscarried twice.) all in all, ive been blessed. good luck to you.
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ok, I have never done any illegal drugs in my life (not because I am against them, but when I was younger I always had drug-testing jobs), so these conversations intrigue the hell out of me. I am a very tense person with frequent anxiety issues, do to the stress level of my career. I have a feeling that an occasional joint would do me a lot of good, and I have heard repeatedly that it isn't really that bad for you at all if done in moderation. Do you think it is possible to just use it from time to time to calm down, yet still stay sharp and not become a deadbeat?
If what you have is working for you, why try anything different. I don't think it is going to make you a deadbeat, but on the other hand you don't strike me as the type of person who would enjoy it.
I wouldn't do it unless it was legal, but I was more curious as to what you guys thought the draw would be for someone like me. I actually think it should be legal based on what I know about it, and if it was I would probably give it a try.

BTW, what is "working for me" now to relieve stress & anxiety is playing active sports like basketball & volleyball. I tore my MCL, however, about 2 months ago, so I have been very limited, and going crazy. I can still lift weights and do some basic cardio, but it is the competitive aspect of athletic sports that keeps me chill....right now I am driving my wife (4 months pregnant) absolutely crazy!
how many kids do you have aaron? and best of luck with her pregnancy. (ive got 4 kids and my wife has miscarried twice.) all in all, ive been blessed. good luck to you.
I have one girl right now, 2 years old. If this one is a boy, I will stop, but if not I will be tempted to try one more time.
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No offense, but you couldn't be further from the truth! I've dealt with numerous "dealers" in my day, including a little foray into the art myself. Hell, I'd be willing to wager I've taken more and a greater variety of illicit substances than any reg on this board. Not something I'm proud of necessarily, but not something I'm ashamed of either.

Don't mistake my lack of current usage for a lack in understanding on the topic of drugs. Back during my freshman and sophomore years of high school I used to spend hours on end poring over articles at www.erowid.org. My friends used to come to me with all drug-related questions, I was like a friggin' encyclopedia.
Well, I'm not going to compare drug lists with you, but I highly doubt you know very much about the world I dealt with for a few years. I will tell you that I have half a dozen friends that are now in prison and will be for the next few decades. I had friends who had paid bodyguards that carried automatics and also owned businesses to funnel their money into. I've lost count of how many times I had paranoid people with guns shoving them in my face. It was definitely an interesting fun world at the time, but looking back, it was some of the most reckless things I've ever done by far.

My experiences might be clouding my judgment, since I guess this isn't that typical, but at that point in my life, I had a crowd of somewhere around 50 people that I hung out with regularly. Every one started smoking pot occasionally in high school, and everyone would do cocaine if offered. If they never smoked pot, they never would've went into this world where things spiral out of control. When you do one thing illegal and get away with it, it allows you to continue on. You take greater risks.

You're a prime example. You started out doing pot and now apparently have done a great variety, so I'm not sure how you can say it isn't a 'gateway' drug. Like I've said, it's not the drug, but the people that you meet, which would change if it was legalized. If you never smoked pot, do you think you'd be hanging around these people that offered you other substances? I've had people randomly come-up and offer me alcohol, pot, and shrooms, but I've never seen someone offer heroin because nobody just one day decides, "Sure, I'll inject that in my veins." There's steps, and pot is the first one into that world for almost everyone.
I think we've had relatively comparable past experiences from the sound of it. I've never had any buddies who laundered money or had to hire body guards, but I've definitely been exposed to a degree to the inner workings of the drug trade. I have a couple buddies (well, people I considered buddies at least) in prison right now too, albeit not for a few decades.

I'd say the biggest factor in determining whether a person will delve into other drugs after trying marijuana is that person's upbringing and the group of people he consorts with. I've always been one to have several different groups of friends (who got along with the other groups for the most part, but seldom hung out), and it seems like whenever one guy in that group started experimenting, he tended to end up dragging others in with him. These people were united by similar upbringings to begin with, so it's not surprising to me. Luckily, most of us (myself included) woke up to the folly of our ways and cleaned up our acts (some of us dabbled in other criminal activity as well, such as theft, which wasn't caused outright by the drug use, but rather by the way we lived life in general).

I think we're in agreement for the most part.
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ok, I have never done any illegal drugs in my life (not because I am against them, but when I was younger I always had drug-testing jobs), so these conversations intrigue the hell out of me. I am a very tense person with frequent anxiety issues, do to the stress level of my career. I have a feeling that an occasional joint would do me a lot of good, and I have heard repeatedly that it isn't really that bad for you at all if done in moderation. Do you think it is possible to just use it from time to time to calm down, yet still stay sharp and not become a deadbeat?
Marijuana, like all drugs, affects every one differently. Personally, I tend to get anxious while high, which is why i usually only smoke around people I know and in situations I feel comfortable in. I'd say my results are typically the exception to the rule, however.

If you're interested in trying some, I'd purchase a "one-hitter" (a metal cigarette shaped and colored smoking device). You'd be stoned out of your gourd if you smoke a joint to yourself, which wouldn't do anybody any good. With a one hitter (which results in more than one hit - usually two or three) you can "dose" yourself so to say, and only smoke what you need. Since it'd be your first time smoking, I can't assure that you'd get high (most people don't get high their first time strangely enough), but if you keep trying you will get high eventually. Maybe your second or third try, I don't know; as I stated before, everybody is different. The first time can be pretty intense, so I'd recommend doing it in a safe, trusted environment, but once you get used to it it ceases to be a big deal. In my opinion, I think it would end up helping you tremendously.

I don't even think about the health implications of smoking, because I know that if done in moderation, there are none. And yes, it is completely possible to use it from time to time to calm down and not become a deadbeat, that is one of the most preposterously fallacious statements any state official (or brainwashed citizen) could ever make. Some of the sharpest people I know get high regularly, it doesn't affect them negatively at all.
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Marijuana, like all drugs, affects every one differently. Personally, I tend to get anxious while high, which is why i usually only smoke around people I know and in situations I feel comfortable in. I'd say my results are typically the exception to the rule, however.

If you're interested in trying some, I'd purchase a "one-hitter" (a metal cigarette shaped and colored smoking device). You'd be stoned out of your gourd if you smoke a joint to yourself, which wouldn't do anybody any good. With a one hitter (which results in more than one hit - usually two or three) you can "dose" yourself so to say, and only smoke what you need. Since it'd be your first time smoking, I can't assure that you'd get high (most people don't get high their first time strangely enough), but if you keep trying you will get high eventually. Maybe your second or third try, I don't know; as I stated before, everybody is different. The first time can be pretty intense, so I'd recommend doing it in a safe, trusted environment, but once you get used to it it ceases to be a big deal. In my opinion, I think it would end up helping you tremendously.

I don't even think about the health implications of smoking, because I know that if done in moderation, there are none. And yes, it is completely possible to use it from time to time to calm down and not become a deadbeat, that is one of the most preposterously fallacious statements any state official (or brainwashed citizen) could ever make. Some of the sharpest people I know get high regularly, it doesn't affect them negatively at all.
I agree with pretty much everything you just said.

Most of the people that were my closest friends in that group all went on to graduate school and have been very successful, so it's definitely one of the biggest myths that people that get high don't do anything. Some definitely don't, but they're the same people that would struggle even if they never touched a drug.
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Did you guys see that Kelloggs dropped Phelps after the pic with the bong? I think it is slightly ridiculous in this day and age that it is theat big of a deal. You have athletes drinking beer and it's no big deal. To me there's no difference. I am dumping my Frosted Flakes in protest.
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