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Tom Crean Report Card
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Jazen Jan 30 2009, 03:53 PM Post #31
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For what he has to work with, I'm pretty happy with the results. I'll take this 5-14 (0-7) team over a fat, out of shape 15-14 Mike Davis team any day of the week.

Just the small improvements that you see game to game are worth something.
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Unbiased Jan 30 2009, 04:05 PM Post #32
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For what he has to work with, I'm pretty happy with the results. I'll take this 5-14 (0-7) team over a fat, out of shape 15-14 Mike Davis team any day of the week.

Just the small improvements that you see game to game are worth something.
I'd rather have the 20-9 "bad" Bob Knight teams.
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Jazen Jan 30 2009, 04:18 PM Post #33
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For what he has to work with, I'm pretty happy with the results. I'll take this 5-14 (0-7) team over a fat, out of shape 15-14 Mike Davis team any day of the week.

Just the small improvements that you see game to game are worth something.
I'd rather have the 20-9 "bad" Bob Knight teams.
Those are the same teams (ranked 20-25 nationally each year) that Quinn Buckner used to laugh at and call untalented and undeserving of their ranking.

I've always questioned what his hard on was with Indiana. Wonder if Knight bitch slapped him a couple of times. :asskick:
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dçamden03 Jan 30 2009, 04:41 PM Post #34
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looking back on it, a more appropriate grade would be 'Incomplete'.
As I'm reading through this, thats exactly what I was coming up with.

Recruiting looks good, but you don't know how its going to play out on the floor. I think they are going to do well, but higher ranked class have done far less.

I think given the situation, he's doing quite a bit of things he normally wouldn't be doing. He's playing funky defenses, acting like more of a cheerleader than a coach (for obvious reasons, he needs to keep players' spirits high in a tough situation), and he's got probably 10% of his offense installed.

In year 3, you can give him a grade. Right now, you just have to hope things get turned around. Thats pretty much what I did with Painter.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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dçamden03 Jan 30 2009, 04:42 PM Post #35
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and John Gruden is the answer for IU football
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

IU football needs Vince Lombardi.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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dedicatedIUfan Jan 30 2009, 05:10 PM Post #36
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I would say a B. I am close to giving him a B+, but his 5 wins total and 0 wins in the B10, along with his end game substitution pattern and coaching brings me lower than a B+. But the last few games the team has improved and if we win a couple B10 games, he will recieve at least a B+.

The only real end game mistake that he made in the NW game was call a timeout with the clock stopped after their go ahead free throw to call a timeout just to get it to half court. That was plain stupid. Either call a timeout set up a play and run the damn thing or let them inbounds the ball and call timeout once they get past the half court. He used up his last time out and we couldn't get the ball inbounds. At least this is my opinion on what I saw at the end of that game. :banghead:
The inbound play after the free throws worked didn't it? There might have been the same result if he didn't call the timeout there. It wouldn't have surprised me if the inexperienced player inbounding the ball would have threw it away right away if the play wasn't set up.
Didn't they get the ball in. That was my point. He called the timeout and they got the ball in and then called another timeout just across half court. I think he should have gotten the ball in and let them get it accross half court and then called the timeout. That way they still had one to work with. Or the other option would have been to just let them play on after the first timeout. I don't know. He is our coach and he knows what he is doing and I do trust him. I know he has done a pretty good job, especially of late, with these guys and you can see the improvement. Anyone can always look back and second guess, but these guys did fight until the end and it was a good game to watch. I just wished we could have gotten over the hump and win that one.

The real back breaker was Dumes fouling 30 feet from the basket with 6.6 seconds left. I am sure Crean was beating his head into the wall after the game on that stupid play. :banghead: How many stupid plays has does Dumes have, especially at the end of games (Michigan for one). He has a low basketball IQ.
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Evilempire Jan 30 2009, 05:31 PM Post #37
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It's hard to give Crean a lot of credit in crunch time when it seems like assistant coaches draw up just as many plays as he does. A few players have gotten noticebly better, but the majority are making the same idiotic mistakes time after time. I said at the beginning of the season that it was a mistake to hand out a bunch of scholarships to guys who won't be making an impact past this season.......and that's when I thought they might be able to win 10 games. The only time IU seems like they have any legit chance of winning, it's either because the other team can't throw it into the ocean or IU goes nuts from 3 point range. Anyway, here are my grades for Crean so far.

--Schmoozing the fanbase----A+
--Creating hordes of homers---A+
--Using scholarships wisely-----D
--09-10 recruiting class-----A
--in game coaching ability----B-
--last 2 minutes of game coaching ability---INC...lets assistant coaches draw up plays either because he realizes it really doesn't matter or he is fresh out of ideas

Overall, I don't think IU could have really signed anyone significantly better than Crean. He really doesn't have much to work with, but that doesn't mean he should have tied up a bunch of schollies to guys who will see less than 10 minutes per game for the rest of their career at IU. He gets a C+ for blowing several 20 point leads and losing at home to some awful teams that even the current crappy players should have beaten at home.
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mongo Jan 30 2009, 06:51 PM Post #38
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It's hard to give Crean a lot of credit in crunch time when it seems like assistant coaches draw up just as many plays as he does. A few players have gotten noticebly better, but the majority are making the same idiotic mistakes time after time. I said at the beginning of the season that it was a mistake to hand out a bunch of scholarships to guys who won't be making an impact past this season.......and that's when I thought they might be able to win 10 games. The only time IU seems like they have any legit chance of winning, it's either because the other team can't throw it into the ocean or IU goes nuts from 3 point range. Anyway, here are my grades for Crean so far.

--Schmoozing the fanbase----A+
--Creating hordes of homers---A+
--Using scholarships wisely-----D
--09-10 recruiting class-----A
--in game coaching ability----B-
--last 2 minutes of game coaching ability---INC...lets assistant coaches draw up plays either because he realizes it really doesn't matter or he is fresh out of ideas

Overall, I don't think IU could have really signed anyone significantly better than Crean. He really doesn't have much to work with, but that doesn't mean he should have tied up a bunch of schollies to guys who will see less than 10 minutes per game for the rest of their career at IU. He gets a C+ for blowing several 20 point leads and losing at home to some awful teams that even the current crappy players should have beaten at home.
Using scholarships wisely a D? You're still on his nuts about this? What was he supposed to do for this season? Seriously you bring this up all the time and I don't understand how you don't get it. He had to field a team this year and had like 5 months to do it.
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BoilerVision Jan 30 2009, 07:02 PM Post #39
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Point Mongo. If Crean doesn't sign players, and saves those schollies for next season he might as well just forfeit the season.

He would be pretty much giving up on this year's team, and that is a bad attitude to put into program. By signing what he could for this team, he has shown that he is committed to putting his best team on the court EVERY game of every year.
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IUGrad2003 Jan 30 2009, 07:57 PM Post #40
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I think you'll find the Crean will probably be animated on the sidelines every year no matter what year the players are and that's a good thing. I have questioned some end of game coaching, but feel that's more lack of execution and talant moreso than coaching. Crean's a great coach; I'd give him an A- so far.
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troubleatiu Jan 31 2009, 12:06 AM Post #41
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Unfortunately for Coach Crean, the BTown school does not grade on a curve. That is, we treat every season the same, requirements are the same whether you're a genius or a retard. Because of the 5 win record, and the winless Big Ten record, Coach Crean has earned a raw grade of an 'F' from the BTown school. Fortunately, however, for his GPA, we do count this as a weighted course due to the tremendous difficulty.

With the weight included, Coach Crean's grade is a D.

Also, forunately, we are currently offering extra credit.
extra credit:
1) 2009 recruiting class +10 points
2) maintained fan support +3 points
3) "narrow" defeat versus Northwestern +1 point
4) signs of improvement +1 point

that leaves his final midseason grade at a C+.

Hopefully for Tom, he will be able to garner a Big Ten victory, earn more extra credit, and possibly do well on the final exam (big ten tournament), in order to get his GPA where we all want it to be.
WHAT??? he has an intramural team competing in the big 10. look at the talent. we fucking suck. coaching cant change that.
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Jazen Jan 6 2012, 07:43 PM Post #42
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Time to bump this one after 3 years and give TC's report card an update.

Considering everything he's done in his now 4th year; coaching, recruiting, etc. I see no other grade to hand out other than an A+.

Would love to see us (and Crean) continue to have success this year, and see him ultimately take home the COTY award.
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A+ and looking ahead on the incoming recruits AND the recruits that are taking a look at IU... I see an A+ in Creans future.
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