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Matt Roth!; A keeper!
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dçamden03 Jan 31 2009, 07:51 PM Post #16
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I think we will be one of the deepest teams in the B10 and country as well.
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hehehe. the deepest with young talent??

or.. maybe the team with the player that can shoot from the deepest. lol.
We will have a deep bench. Everyone will be of equal talent that is coming in and the experience that current players are getting now. I am not saying we will be NCAA bound, but Crean will have more interchangeable parts and this will result in more wins next year. At least .500 or a little better and we won't get worn down at the end of games like we have this year.

What makes any of you think we won't be deeper than most teams? Just curious.
I don't consider depth to be just amount of equal ability players. Depth to me points to talent deep in the bench. I don't think IU will have anymore talent at the 6-9 spots than anyone else.

Look at MSU, they only lose Suton and Gray from their rotation. And they add two more big guys in their recruiting class. Lucas, Morgan, Summers, Allen, Roe, Lucious. Plus, they have a few other top 150 guys to fill out their 7-10 spots.

IU isn't the only program bringing in players. Lots of teams have lots of depth. Nobody knows what IU has, and what they have right now, who is really shining as being really good?
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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tAmazingHoosier0305 Jan 31 2009, 07:59 PM Post #17
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I knew you all would come around and jump on the band wagon. I said give him time, you guys laughed. Crowd favorite.. 6'5 frosh that's lights out and just learning.

You all can blow me for raising hell about the JJ Redick statements. Give him 3 more years then come talk to me when he leads the nation in 3's
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I think we will be one of the deepest teams in the B10 and country as well.
:banghead:
hehehe. the deepest with young talent??

or.. maybe the team with the player that can shoot from the deepest. lol.
We will have a deep bench. Everyone will be of equal talent that is coming in and the experience that current players are getting now. I am not saying we will be NCAA bound, but Crean will have more interchangeable parts and this will result in more wins next year. At least .500 or a little better and we won't get worn down at the end of games like we have this year.

What makes any of you think we won't be deeper than most teams? Just curious.
I don't consider depth to be just amount of equal ability players. Depth to me points to talent deep in the bench. I don't think IU will have anymore talent at the 6-9 spots than anyone else.

Look at MSU, they only lose Suton and Gray from their rotation. And they add two more big guys in their recruiting class. Lucas, Morgan, Summers, Allen, Roe, Lucious. Plus, they have a few other top 150 guys to fill out their 7-10 spots.

IU isn't the only program bringing in players. Lots of teams have lots of depth. Nobody knows what IU has, and what they have right now, who is really shining as being really good?
It does mean depth when this years starters/contributors will be next years bench. If this years team is competing like they are now, next years team will be deep because the bench players will have the experience, with exception of Rivers and Pritchard who will start. That is what will make us a deep team.
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Roth, right now, is good at one thing. He doesn't defend well and has slow feet, and you can't teach a guy to get quicker. He is not a threat to do anything other than shoot on the offensive end. Guys that shoot the 3 well will always get some shots and some points, but eventually other teams will start to play him tighter. Then what does he do ? And if Crean puts a lot of emphasis on defense, Roth's playing time will have to suffer, especially with the talented guards coming in.

That said, if he keeps hitting threes from 25', he will be unstoppable.
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On the post game interview with Fish Crean keeps thanking the fans for support and saying we have recruits in house. Does anyone know who they are or for what year?
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Yeah Roth was amazing today. Of course he's a keeper, I've been saying that all along, both on here and to my friends when we talk IU. I've been wondering why this season he hasn't had more looks than he has. Honestly he should be leading the team in scoring. He's the best shooter on the team and its not even close, we should be running the offense through Roth. My buddy and I were just talking about him before the game today and how there's reason to be excited about his future. He could be a big part of our team by his junior and senior seasons.
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Roth, right now, is good at one thing. He doesn't defend well and has slow feet, and you can't teach a guy to get quicker. He is not a threat to do anything other than shoot on the offensive end. Guys that shoot the 3 well will always get some shots and some points, but eventually other teams will start to play him tighter. Then what does he do ? And if Crean puts a lot of emphasis on defense, Roth's playing time will have to suffer, especially with the talented guards coming in.

That said, if he keeps hitting threes from 25', he will be unstoppable.
Ohio State tried to play him tighter today after his first 2 or 3 threes. All he did was step back and shoot from NBA range. I decided about midseason that he was my favorite player on this team. He is probably our only player on the court that is a threat to score that doesn't turn the ball over. And that range speaks for itself.

I'd also like to point out (again) that his two misses were a falling down miss at half with no time left, and a shot that got blocked in the corner because someone passed him the ball with two seconds left in the shot clock. He was basically 9-9 when he got to pick his spots. Very impressive.
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Roth, right now, is good at one thing. He doesn't defend well and has slow feet, and you can't teach a guy to get quicker. He is not a threat to do anything other than shoot on the offensive end. Guys that shoot the 3 well will always get some shots and some points, but eventually other teams will start to play him tighter. Then what does he do ? And if Crean puts a lot of emphasis on defense, Roth's playing time will have to suffer, especially with the talented guards coming in.

That said, if he keeps hitting threes from 25', he will be unstoppable.
But you can never count on a guy hitting shots from 25'. If you're an IU fan, you wish you could save some of those bombs for a game when they could make the difference. How many times have you seen a team that depends on the 3 lose a big game because their shots stopped falling? Kramer, Grant, or Jackson will turn Roth into a non-factor, until he learns to run off screens.
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Matt Roth- 27min 29 pts 0 reb 0 steals 0 ast 1 block
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Matt Roth- 27min 29 pts 0 reb 0 steals 0 ast 1 block
that awful
Roth had one helluva day, and it was fun to watch.
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He's a one man zone breaker. I've yet to figure out why anyone besides Northwestern would zone IU.
tell me how ryneball smith is the best shooter and better than Roth again?

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Roth, right now, is good at one thing. He doesn't defend well and has slow feet, and you can't teach a guy to get quicker. He is not a threat to do anything other than shoot on the offensive end. Guys that shoot the 3 well will always get some shots and some points, but eventually other teams will start to play him tighter. Then what does he do ? And if Crean puts a lot of emphasis on defense, Roth's playing time will have to suffer, especially with the talented guards coming in.

That said, if he keeps hitting threes from 25', he will be unstoppable.
But you can never count on a guy hitting shots from 25'. If you're an IU fan, you wish you could save some of those bombs for a game when they could make the difference. How many times have you seen a team that depends on the 3 lose a big game because their shots stopped falling? Kramer, Grant, or Jackson will turn Roth into a non-factor, until he learns to run off screens.
yeah and wait til Roth actually has some non freshman talent around him.

Simply an amazing shooting display. Queerboy Kramer would have been helpless trying to guard him at 35 feet.

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Queerboy Kramer would have been helpless trying to guard him at 35 feet.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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There was one brief moment when Roth and Pritchard ran a little inside out two man game and the defense got spaced out because they had to respect Roth and they couldn't cheat on the block. That with the ball movement gives you reason to have hope.

Rivers will bring us leadership and stability, plus he's soaking up this offense this year and we'll actually have a bench.
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There was one brief moment when Roth and Pritchard ran a little inside out two man game and the defense got spaced out because they had to respect Roth and they couldn't cheat on the block. That with the ball movement gives you reason to have hope.

Rivers will bring us leadership and stability, plus he's soaking up this offense this year and we'll actually have a bench.
Don't forget a deep bench, IMO.
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