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Matt Roth!; A keeper!
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Roth, right now, is good at one thing. He doesn't defend well and has slow feet, and you can't teach a guy to get quicker. He is not a threat to do anything other than shoot on the offensive end. Guys that shoot the 3 well will always get some shots and some points, but eventually other teams will start to play him tighter. Then what does he do ? And if Crean puts a lot of emphasis on defense, Roth's playing time will have to suffer, especially with the talented guards coming in.

That said, if he keeps hitting threes from 25', he will be unstoppable.
But you can never count on a guy hitting shots from 25'. If you're an IU fan, you wish you could save some of those bombs for a game when they could make the difference. How many times have you seen a team that depends on the 3 lose a big game because their shots stopped falling? Kramer, Grant, or Jackson will turn Roth into a non-factor, until he learns to run off screens.
yeah and wait til Roth actually has some non freshman talent around him.

Simply an amazing shooting display. Queerboy Kramer would have been helpless trying to guard him at 35 feet.

Yep, like he did w/ Stephen Curry right?
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Matt Roth SUCKS!!! He gave up at least 15 more points than he scored because he can't defend FOR SHIT. He is zero court vision....there are a thousand kids out there who can shoot like him....we need a basketball player. I hope he gets splinters in his ass for the next 3 years!
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Matt Roth SUCKS!!! He gave up at least 15 more points than he scored because he can't defend FOR SHIT. He is zero court vision....there are a thousand kids out there who can shoot like him....we need a basketball player. I hope he gets splinters in his ass for the next 3 years!
Agreed. He sucks guarding the point. He is an excellent shooter, no doubt, but not the complete ball player. There is a reason OSU scored 90+ points too you know.
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Yeah Roth was amazing today. Of course he's a keeper, I've been saying that all along, both on here and to my friends when we talk IU. I've been wondering why this season he hasn't had more looks than he has. Honestly he should be leading the team in scoring. He's the best shooter on the team and its not even close, we should be running the offense through Roth. My buddy and I were just talking about him before the game today and how there's reason to be excited about his future. He could be a big part of our team by his junior and senior seasons.
I dont think Roth should be leading the team in scoreing. He is a spot shooter and a great one at that but he cant create on his own at all. I bet 95% of his points have come off passes where he hasnt even had to take a dribble.

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Roth, right now, is good at one thing. He doesn't defend well and has slow feet, and you can't teach a guy to get quicker. He is not a threat to do anything other than shoot on the offensive end. Guys that shoot the 3 well will always get some shots and some points, but eventually other teams will start to play him tighter. Then what does he do ? And if Crean puts a lot of emphasis on defense, Roth's playing time will have to suffer, especially with the talented guards coming in.

That said, if he keeps hitting threes from 25', he will be unstoppable.
But you can never count on a guy hitting shots from 25'. If you're an IU fan, you wish you could save some of those bombs for a game when they could make the difference. How many times have you seen a team that depends on the 3 lose a big game because their shots stopped falling? Kramer, Grant, or Jackson will turn Roth into a non-factor, until he learns to run off screens.
yeah and wait til Roth actually has some non freshman talent around him.

Simply an amazing shooting display. Queerboy Kramer would have been helpless trying to guard him at 35 feet.

Yep, like he did w/ Stephen Curry right?
or like the Duke guards did :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Yeah Roth was amazing today. Of course he's a keeper, I've been saying that all along, both on here and to my friends when we talk IU. I've been wondering why this season he hasn't had more looks than he has. Honestly he should be leading the team in scoring. He's the best shooter on the team and its not even close, we should be running the offense through Roth. My buddy and I were just talking about him before the game today and how there's reason to be excited about his future. He could be a big part of our team by his junior and senior seasons.
I dont think Roth should be leading the team in scoreing. He is a spot shooter and a great one at that but he cant create on his own at all. I bet 95% of his points have come off passes where he hasnt even had to take a dribble.

You watch enough games of a shitty IU team to know that stat? 95%, huh?
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Yeah Roth was amazing today. Of course he's a keeper, I've been saying that all along, both on here and to my friends when we talk IU. I've been wondering why this season he hasn't had more looks than he has. Honestly he should be leading the team in scoring. He's the best shooter on the team and its not even close, we should be running the offense through Roth. My buddy and I were just talking about him before the game today and how there's reason to be excited about his future. He could be a big part of our team by his junior and senior seasons.
I dont think Roth should be leading the team in scoreing. He is a spot shooter and a great one at that but he cant create on his own at all. I bet 95% of his points have come off passes where he hasnt even had to take a dribble.

You watch enough games of a shitty IU team to know that stat? 95%, huh?
128 of his 132 points have come off of 3s or FTs. I don't think he took a dribble before any of his shots against OSU. The kid is a spot up shooter, a very good one, but thats about it. Right now, he's a one trick pony with one damn good trick.
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Yeah Roth was amazing today. Of course he's a keeper, I've been saying that all along, both on here and to my friends when we talk IU. I've been wondering why this season he hasn't had more looks than he has. Honestly he should be leading the team in scoring. He's the best shooter on the team and its not even close, we should be running the offense through Roth. My buddy and I were just talking about him before the game today and how there's reason to be excited about his future. He could be a big part of our team by his junior and senior seasons.
I dont think Roth should be leading the team in scoreing. He is a spot shooter and a great one at that but he cant create on his own at all. I bet 95% of his points have come off passes where he hasnt even had to take a dribble.

You watch enough games of a shitty IU team to know that stat? 95%, huh?
128 of his 132 points have come off of 3s or FTs. I don't think he took a dribble before any of his shots against OSU. The kid is a spot up shooter, a very good one, but thats about it. Right now, he's a one trick pony with one damn good trick.
Which is still a hell of alot better than a "no trick pony" like yourself.........
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Yeah Roth was amazing today. Of course he's a keeper, I've been saying that all along, both on here and to my friends when we talk IU. I've been wondering why this season he hasn't had more looks than he has. Honestly he should be leading the team in scoring. He's the best shooter on the team and its not even close, we should be running the offense through Roth. My buddy and I were just talking about him before the game today and how there's reason to be excited about his future. He could be a big part of our team by his junior and senior seasons.
I dont think Roth should be leading the team in scoreing. He is a spot shooter and a great one at that but he cant create on his own at all. I bet 95% of his points have come off passes where he hasnt even had to take a dribble.

You watch enough games of a shitty IU team to know that stat? 95%, huh?
128 of his 132 points have come off of 3s or FTs. I don't think he took a dribble before any of his shots against OSU. The kid is a spot up shooter, a very good one, but thats about it. Right now, he's a one trick pony with one damn good trick.
Which is still a hell of alot better than a "no trick pony" like yourself.........
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I'm saying Roth should be leading us in the scoring because he's really the only one on this team that consistently does something well: shoot threes. We don't have a point guard to orchestrate the offense, we don't have a slasher who can really drive in, and we have one freshmen big man who doesn't have great hands. To stay in games we should just feed Roth all game. He'll probably hit 40% consistently, and we don't really have any other offensive weapons that can do anything that well at this point. That was my thought process.
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Yeah Roth was amazing today. Of course he's a keeper, I've been saying that all along, both on here and to my friends when we talk IU. I've been wondering why this season he hasn't had more looks than he has. Honestly he should be leading the team in scoring. He's the best shooter on the team and its not even close, we should be running the offense through Roth. My buddy and I were just talking about him before the game today and how there's reason to be excited about his future. He could be a big part of our team by his junior and senior seasons.
I dont think Roth should be leading the team in scoreing. He is a spot shooter and a great one at that but he cant create on his own at all. I bet 95% of his points have come off passes where he hasnt even had to take a dribble.

You watch enough games of a shitty IU team to know that stat? 95%, huh?
128 of his 132 points have come off of 3s or FTs. I don't think he took a dribble before any of his shots against OSU. The kid is a spot up shooter, a very good one, but thats about it. Right now, he's a one trick pony with one damn good trick.
tell me what RyneBall Smith does well again besides ride the bench?


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Matt Roth = L-I-A-B-I-L-I-T-Y !!!!! As long as we think we need his shooting on the court, we will continue to give up easy jumpers & layups on defense and lose more & more games!!!!!
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Matt Roth wasn't the only one giving up easy jumpers. Diebler kept running the baseline off a double screen for a wide open three, and nobody on the team could stop it for some reason. Roth wasn't even guarding him for most of these. I think it was Dumes or Story.

I disagree that Roth is a liability. He had to switch on screens and pick up Turner a few times against OSU, but he's 6'7", can handle the ball, and a good scorer. We don't have anyone on our team who can defend him. I would much rather have someone who turns the ball over once every 41.8 minutes (Roth), than someone who turns the ball over once every 11.3 minutes (Dumes). I realize they are completely different players, but turning the ball over consistently is worse than giving up an occasional open jumper.

Shit, we'd probably score more points if we just let Roth shoot from the logo every possession. Cut down on turnovers and give us about 20 extra half court shots every game.

I guess I just think there are people on this team that are bigger liabilities than Roth that get more playing time. Dumes has played flat out stupid down the stretch of every game when we have had a lead and lost.
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Comparing TO numbers of a player who dominates the ball compared to a player who stands in a corner and waits for a shot is a bit misleading.
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Comparing TO numbers of a player who dominates the ball compared to a player who stands in a corner and waits for a shot is a bit misleading.
I disagree. I see the ball in Roth's hands a lot and he makes pretty solid decisions with the ball. He isn't a bad passer and uses the bounce pass quite well. I do agree that he isn't a slasher like Dumass thinks he is, but he does seem to make better decisions with the ball. He isn't a stupid player like Dumbass and that is the point that tkeena maybe trying to make.
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