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Sen McCain on the Obama Stimulis
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IUCOLTFAN Feb 3 2009, 05:07 PM Post #46
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Unfortunately (no offense trouble), there have always been a fair share of obnoxious conspiracy theorists in attendance at his speeches/rallies. Where else do they have to turn though?
OldSchool, some of those people aren't that far off. I'm not a whacko conspiracy guy, but I also absolutely do not believe that Al Queda, Bin Laden, and the other 9 or so guys that are currently being blamed for this, pulled it off by themselves. I don't think they had help at the top of our government like the crazies do, but they had to have bought off plenty of low level gov/FAA employees.
People were getting things through airport "security" days, weeks, and years after 9/11.............I dont think any were bought off, just incompetent and lazy as fuck. No conspiracy there.........
Incompetant, lazy as fuck, and scared to be non-PC. The left loves to use PC-ness and the racist charge to shut down their adversaries. NLA just pulled that shit on me over the weekend.
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Trouble,

I think we shot that plane down in Penn. What do you think??????
I haven't heard that theory, but it's not that outlandish.
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As usual, no one was paying attention. Its the old "its not my job" union attitude. when something bad happens, claim you were in the restroom and blame it on the guy next to you. They dont screen employees well enough and hire people who will do the job for next to nothing. Would you take any personal risk for 8 or 9 bucks an hour? Fuck no you wouldnt.......they just look the other way (in most cases) and hope nothing happens......its the American (union) way.
Md can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there's very many minimum wage employees watching radar screens....

"In 2007, air traffic controllers saw mean annual earnings of $107,780, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Those working for the Federal Executive Branch (including the FAA) saw slightly higher earnings, at $112,670. Air traffic controllers earned the most yearly salary in Illinois over all other states, at $126,740."
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I do not believe we where behind 9/11 but I think someone ordered that plane shot down yes after the Towers got hit twicw and the Eightsided building was hit. I believe they ordered all planes grounded and it stayed up and the US shot it down do you?????
I don't know, and probably never will. There is good reason to believe both sides of the story, which pretty much means that neither are the truth.
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mccain is no more republican than my grandmother is a virgin.
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As usual, no one was paying attention. Its the old "its not my job" union attitude. when something bad happens, claim you were in the restroom and blame it on the guy next to you. They dont screen employees well enough and hire people who will do the job for next to nothing. Would you take any personal risk for 8 or 9 bucks an hour? Fuck no you wouldnt.......they just look the other way (in most cases) and hope nothing happens......its the American (union) way.
Md can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there's very many minimum wage employees watching radar screens....

"In 2007, air traffic controllers saw mean annual earnings of $107,780, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Those working for the Federal Executive Branch (including the FAA) saw slightly higher earnings, at $112,670. Air traffic controllers earned the most yearly salary in Illinois over all other states, at $126,740."
Im talking about airport security.........reread my post.......people getting shit through security etc.....
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As usual, no one was paying attention. Its the old "its not my job" union attitude. when something bad happens, claim you were in the restroom and blame it on the guy next to you. They dont screen employees well enough and hire people who will do the job for next to nothing. Would you take any personal risk for 8 or 9 bucks an hour? Fuck no you wouldnt.......they just look the other way (in most cases) and hope nothing happens......its the American (union) way.
Md can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there's very many minimum wage employees watching radar screens....

"In 2007, air traffic controllers saw mean annual earnings of $107,780, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Those working for the Federal Executive Branch (including the FAA) saw slightly higher earnings, at $112,670. Air traffic controllers earned the most yearly salary in Illinois over all other states, at $126,740."
Im talking about airport security.........reread my post.......people getting shit through security etc.....
I didn't understand the air traffic controller salary references either, and almost posted the salaries of Chinese egg factory workers.
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As usual, no one was paying attention. Its the old "its not my job" union attitude. when something bad happens, claim you were in the restroom and blame it on the guy next to you. They dont screen employees well enough and hire people who will do the job for next to nothing. Would you take any personal risk for 8 or 9 bucks an hour? Fuck no you wouldnt.......they just look the other way (in most cases) and hope nothing happens......its the American (union) way.
Md can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there's very many minimum wage employees watching radar screens....

"In 2007, air traffic controllers saw mean annual earnings of $107,780, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Those working for the Federal Executive Branch (including the FAA) saw slightly higher earnings, at $112,670. Air traffic controllers earned the most yearly salary in Illinois over all other states, at $126,740."
Im talking about airport security.........reread my post.......people getting shit through security etc.....
4x in 1 day? mike ruppert also mentions two other possible teams who were left on the ground that day, one due to mechanical failure and the other because their flight hadnt taken off before the grounding order was issued. that would make 6 in 1 day.
if the incompetence was that widespread, WHY WASNT SOMEBODY FIRED?
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As usual, no one was paying attention. Its the old "its not my job" union attitude. when something bad happens, claim you were in the restroom and blame it on the guy next to you. They dont screen employees well enough and hire people who will do the job for next to nothing. Would you take any personal risk for 8 or 9 bucks an hour? Fuck no you wouldnt.......they just look the other way (in most cases) and hope nothing happens......its the American (union) way.
Md can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there's very many minimum wage employees watching radar screens....

"In 2007, air traffic controllers saw mean annual earnings of $107,780, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Those working for the Federal Executive Branch (including the FAA) saw slightly higher earnings, at $112,670. Air traffic controllers earned the most yearly salary in Illinois over all other states, at $126,740."
Im talking about airport security.........reread my post.......people getting shit through security etc.....
4x in 1 day? mike ruppert also mentions two other possible teams who were left on the ground that day, one due to mechanical failure and the other because their flight hadnt taken off before the grounding order was issued. that would make 6 in 1 day.
if the incompetence was that widespread, WHY WASNT SOMEBODY FIRED?
Why were box-cutters allowed on the planes, and why didn't the Feds follow up on reports of Muslims taking flight training, some only wanting to learn how to take off, not land. The latter is part of our systemic PC culture. Who are you going to fire to address that? Hell, we elected a far left President who will make PC worse.
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As usual, no one was paying attention. Its the old "its not my job" union attitude. when something bad happens, claim you were in the restroom and blame it on the guy next to you. They dont screen employees well enough and hire people who will do the job for next to nothing. Would you take any personal risk for 8 or 9 bucks an hour? Fuck no you wouldnt.......they just look the other way (in most cases) and hope nothing happens......its the American (union) way.
Md can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there's very many minimum wage employees watching radar screens....

"In 2007, air traffic controllers saw mean annual earnings of $107,780, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Those working for the Federal Executive Branch (including the FAA) saw slightly higher earnings, at $112,670. Air traffic controllers earned the most yearly salary in Illinois over all other states, at $126,740."
Im talking about airport security.........reread my post.......people getting shit through security etc.....
4x in 1 day? mike ruppert also mentions two other possible teams who were left on the ground that day, one due to mechanical failure and the other because their flight hadnt taken off before the grounding order was issued. that would make 6 in 1 day.
if the incompetence was that widespread, WHY WASNT SOMEBODY FIRED?
Why were box-cutters allowed on the planes, and why didn't the Feds follow up on reports of Muslims taking flight training, some only wanting to learn how to take off, not land. The latter is part of our systemic PC culture. Who are you going to fire to address that? Hell, we elected a far left President who will make PC worse.
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answer, AS MANY AS IT TAKES. 3000 people died that day. if i had to fire 3000 in exchange i would have. ive seen guys get fired where i work for practically nothing. they lock out air, electic, and forget hydraulic...FIRED.
bottom line is many failed that day, and in the days leading up to it. to not fire ANYBODY, ANYWHERE, FOR ANYTHING, is mind boggling. was it incompetence? if not, what was it?
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Sorry guys I should have never brought up 9/11 with trouble.

I do not think anyone in the Govt was behind it. I do not know if we shot the plane down in Penn and do I really believe it probably not.
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Trouble,

I think we shot that plane down in Penn. What do you think??????
yes we did. the debris field was scattered over a 5 mile area, not what one would expect from a crash, but from a mid-air explosion. one engine was found a mile from the crash-site and the official explanation was it BOUNCED there. also, the county coroner found no bodies in the crater...i still cant explain that one. the military was able to confirm the identies of most on board, but the coroner swears no body parts existed in the crater. where were they and how did they get where they were if they werent in the crater?
eye witnesses, which by the way arent that reliable, (everybody sees something different) also reported an unmarked, white, military plane in the area at the time of the crash.
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Trouble I have heard that case before that is why I believe it is possible we shot it down but what good does it do to say we shot it down. let the survivors believe they went down as heroes and you have the phone call and lets roll comment. None of us will ever know for sure except the pilot if the plane if it was shot down and whomever ordered it to be shot down.
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Trouble I have heard that case before that is why I believe it is possible we shot it down but what good does it do to say we shot it down. let the survivors believe they went down as heroes and you have the phone call and lets roll comment. None of us will ever know for sure except the pilot if the plane if it was shot down and whomever ordered it to be shot down.
the main point is if one lie can be proven, how many more are just below the surface? the government has long maintained its official position (which btw, changed several times in the first 2 days), once you knock a block out of it, how many more might fall?
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