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Could the 87 Marion Giants beat IU 09
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Evilempire Feb 3 2009, 05:20 PM Post #91
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Top 5 based on what.......pomeroy's rankings? I'm not saying they aren't one of the better defensive teams, but I question any statistical method that results in UNC being ranked in the top 20 in defense. I know, I know, stats are all that matters. To me, Louisville easily has the best team defense and they can guard any type of team they play(too bad they can't make shots).......Purdue cannot say the same thing.
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great. his coach comments. really objective.

I've watch him and watched him get repeatedly beat. just because he's short and black you think he's automatically good defensively. quit being a racist.
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dcums is a slave to stats. nevermind turdue plays slow, limits possessions and hence keeps the score down.

shit, Iu getting beat 93-81 is much more enjoyable to watch than turdue's 58-50 snorefests.
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great. his coach comments. really objective.

I've watch him and watched him get repeatedly beat. just because he's short and black you think he's automatically good defensively. quit being a racist.
What are you talking about? Kramer is 6'3 and white and I think he's a good defender.

Painter is pretty damn objective. Last year after the OSU game, he flat out called us horrible on defense (which we were).
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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great. his coach comments. really objective.

I've watch him and watched him get repeatedly beat. just because he's short and black you think he's automatically good defensively. quit being a racist.
What are you talking about? Kramer is 6'3 and white and I think he's a good defender.

Painter is pretty damn objective. Last year after the OSU game, he flat out called us horrible on defense (which we were).
no - you think just because Hulls is white and lowIQJack is black, the black guy is automatically the better defender. you don't know this

as for Kramer Queer, we all know how overrated that slag is defensively. he leads in steals because he cheats passing lanes and hence gets beat far more than he actually makes a steal.

see the Duke game LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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Top 5 based on what.......pomeroy's rankings? I'm not saying they aren't one of the better defensive teams, but I question any statistical method that results in UNC being ranked in the top 20 in defense. I know, I know, stats are all that matters. To me, Louisville easily has the best team defense and they can guard any type of team they play(too bad they can't make shots).......Purdue cannot say the same thing.
Purdue leads the country in opponents FG% while giving up only 57 points per game.

Who can't Purdue defend? And I never said we were better than Louisville. I said top 5. UNC is a lot better defensive team than you think. Their pace of play causes more points. Kenpom adjusts for pace and opponent, which is a better barometer for defense than just pure points.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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Top 5 based on what.......pomeroy's rankings? I'm not saying they aren't one of the better defensive teams, but I question any statistical method that results in UNC being ranked in the top 20 in defense. I know, I know, stats are all that matters. To me, Louisville easily has the best team defense and they can guard any type of team they play(too bad they can't make shots).......Purdue cannot say the same thing.
Purdue leads the country in opponents FG% while giving up only 57 points per game.

Who can't Purdue defend? And I never said we were better than Louisville. I said top 5. UNC is a lot better defensive team than you think. Their pace of play causes more points. Kenpom adjusts for pace and opponent, which is a better barometer for defense than just pure points.
turdue is nothing great defensively. they simply slow the game down which limits possessions
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dcums is a slave to stats. nevermind turdue plays slow, limits possessions and hence keeps the score down.

shit, Iu getting beat 93-81 is much more enjoyable to watch than turdue's 58-50 snorefests.
Purdue plays at a faster pace than IU. They also score more and are more efficient on offense.

IU has scored 70 or more 5 times. Purdue 13.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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Top 5 based on what.......pomeroy's rankings? I'm not saying they aren't one of the better defensive teams, but I question any statistical method that results in UNC being ranked in the top 20 in defense. I know, I know, stats are all that matters. To me, Louisville easily has the best team defense and they can guard any type of team they play(too bad they can't make shots).......Purdue cannot say the same thing.
Purdue leads the country in opponents FG% while giving up only 57 points per game.

Who can't Purdue defend? And I never said we were better than Louisville. I said top 5. UNC is a lot better defensive team than you think. Their pace of play causes more points. Kenpom adjusts for pace and opponent, which is a better barometer for defense than just pure points.
turdue is nothing great defensively. they simply slow the game down which limits possessions
Top 1/3 in pace.

Fuck off.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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great. his coach comments. really objective.

I've watch him and watched him get repeatedly beat. just because he's short and black you think he's automatically good defensively. quit being a racist.
What are you talking about? Kramer is 6'3 and white and I think he's a good defender.

Painter is pretty damn objective. Last year after the OSU game, he flat out called us horrible on defense (which we were).
no - you think just because Hulls is white and lowIQJack is black, the black guy is automatically the better defender. you don't know this

as for Kramer Queer, we all know how overrated that slag is defensively. he leads in steals because he cheats passing lanes and hence gets beat far more than he actually makes a steal.

see the Duke game LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
You have no fucking clue either. I've actually seen the kid play, unlike you. Jackson is a much better defender that Hulls is. You won't find one person who knows what they are talking about disagree with that.

Gerald Henderson had a hell of a game against Purdue. Same with Manny Harris. Same with Curry.

Your bitterness is sad.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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dcums is a slave to stats. nevermind turdue plays slow, limits possessions and hence keeps the score down.

shit, Iu getting beat 93-81 is much more enjoyable to watch than turdue's 58-50 snorefests.
Purdue plays at a faster pace than IU. They also score more and are more efficient on offense.

IU has scored 70 or more 5 times. Purdue 13.
Since you admit Purdue isn't nearly as good as Louisville, being 'top 5' really has no meaning........just like being the 12th best team in the watered down NCAA this year. IU is horrible, comparing the best Purdue team in years to the worst IU team in decades is pointless. You act like Purdue is a great defensive team because they give up 57 per game, and then tell me that actual numbers are irrelevant because of pace. I understand how pace affects things. I've watched UNC several times, and they don't play much defense.....they try to outscore people. Purdue's DFG percentage is helped by the FACT that the BT has no dominant offensive players. Seriously, start ranking offensive players and let me know when you get to a BT player. In fact, who is the best offensive player in the BT(not necessarily the one who scores the most points)?
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dcums is a slave to stats. nevermind turdue plays slow, limits possessions and hence keeps the score down.

shit, Iu getting beat 93-81 is much more enjoyable to watch than turdue's 58-50 snorefests.
Purdue plays at a faster pace than IU. They also score more and are more efficient on offense.

IU has scored 70 or more 5 times. Purdue 13.
Since you admit Purdue isn't nearly as good as Louisville, being 'top 5' really has no meaning........just like being the 12th best team in the watered down NCAA this year. IU is horrible, comparing the best Purdue team in years to the worst IU team in decades is pointless. You act like Purdue is a great defensive team because they give up 57 per game, and then tell me that actual numbers are irrelevant because of pace. I understand how pace affects things. I've watched UNC several times, and they don't play much defense.....they try to outscore people. Purdue's DFG percentage is helped by the FACT that the BT has no dominant offensive players. Seriously, start ranking offensive players and let me know when you get to a BT player. In fact, who is the best offensive player in the BT(not necessarily the one who scores the most points)?
Its pointless to argue with you. If I say Purdue is a good defensive team, you'll say they aren't and that their stats are inflated because magically the NCAA is just bad and the BT sucks (even though sites adjust for opponents). But Louisville's number's are good against a bad NCAA, and they are great.

I didn't admit that Purdue isn't nearly as good, I never claimed anybody is better than anybody. I said Purdue was one of the 5 best defenses in the country, and by pretty much any statistical measure, they are. Also, from watching numerous games every night, they play better defense than most. Watching UCONN and UL last night was irritating. In the halfcourt, both teams just let each other cut easily, post up easily, and pretty let the opponent to any spot on the floor they wanted to.

UNC plays defense, they just give up more points because its easier to score when you get more possessions.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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give me the 2 best over the scrubs anyday.
LOL

Those scrubs will probably win more games at Purdue than your two "superstars" while they are at IU.
I'll bet any amount on that.


you enjoy your scrubs while Iu enjoys the best players on the team
You think Hulls and Elston will win more games at IU than Bade, Robinson, Barlow, and Byrd will at Purdue?
yes.


Iu's class blows turdue's away
But your class gets added to what exactly?

Purdue's gets added to a top 10-15 team starting 3 juniors and a sophomore. And then it'll get a top 10 class in 2010.

IU's class gets what? A 5 win team.

Good job being objective.
Using your rationale, Purdue's class unless they add somebody, will amost certainly not be a top 10 class.

But way to be objective.
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Using your rationale, Purdue's class unless they add somebody, will amost certainly not be a top 10 class.

But way to be objective.
Rankings aren't done, and Purdue may not be done. When did I say it was set in stone?

But you are right, its possible that it will drop, just like IU's will more than likely drop down to 9, 10, or maybe further.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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