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9/11 inconsistencies
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troubleatiu Feb 4 2009, 11:20 AM Post #1
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i dont want this buried at the bottom of the obama stimulus page. it deserves it own thread. some of you have touched on issues concerning that day and heres where they belong. ive always had my doubts about that day. im not a "9/11 truther" but i dont believe the "official" version either. heres a couple i have:

my personal biggest hang-up with the aftermath of 9/11, is if it was all the result of laziness, incompetence, etc...why the fuck wasnt one individual SOMEWHERE held accountable? NO BODY got fired, demoted, disciplined, etc... ANYWHERE. in fact, the only people held to any type of scrutiny were those critical of the administration.
a $40billion air defense system failed miserably, at least 4 sets of hijackers simultaneously pulled off the greastest coup in american history AND NOBODY WAS MADE TO ANSWER FOR IT. bush never even tried to discipline anybody. he just launched his GWOT. that has never sat well with me, nor will it ever.
i would have at a minimum shit canned condi rice that evening when i got back to washington. as national security advisor coupled with all the warnings other governments put out that summer, (20 some in all) she would have been axed. the phoenix and minneapolis FBI directors would have been shit canned. both of them inexplicably directed agents off alqaeda cells that summer. general myers could have forgotten about becoming commander JCS.
above all, i would not have fought against the 9/11 commision, underfunded it and kept documents from them. none of this adds up.

i could fill 5 pages with inconsistencies. im curious to hear explanations/other inconsistencies/things that bother you all from that day.
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thePhilosopher Feb 4 2009, 11:40 AM Post #2
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WTC 7. I'll give even the original version the twin towers and how they fell, but with WTC 7 (not hit by any aircraft) collapsing late that afternoon, you've got to at least wonder. The official lines that I have heard are complete garbage. Gas tanks exploding, parts of the towers damaging the building: total bull shit.

I'm not a truther, but I do think there are glaring inconsistencies. With the two towers, sure, MAYBE the planes made the building so unstable it collapsed pancake style. I think there are still issues with most explanations, but I'm willing to grant that. But I have yet to hear a decent account for the collapse of WTC 7. Also, NORAD not being able to intercept one of three commercial jets within the span of an hour and a half or more?

So, for me, its WTC 7 and NORAD. I do think your points on the bureaucratic response are very reasonable, trouble. Heads need to roll when something like 9/11 happens in the defense and state department. We spend trillions of dollars on defense and we can't shoot down hijacked airliners, or thwart a plot (allegedly) hatched up by some guy in a cave in Afghanistan? COME ON!
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dreachon Feb 4 2009, 11:45 AM Post #3
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What's a 9/11 truther?

I don't think the government was willing to shoot down an american plane with hundreds of passengers on it. My guess is they could have shot them down and chose not to.
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the 9/11 truthers are a strange bunch.

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the 9/11 truthers are a strange bunch.

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"strange" is putting it nicely.
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the 9/11 truthers are a strange bunch.

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"strange" is putting it nicely.
obsessed. deranged. sensational.

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the 9/11 truthers are a strange bunch.

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"strange" is putting it nicely.
obsessed. deranged. sensational.

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getting closer...
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troubleatiu Feb 4 2009, 11:57 AM Post #8
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the 9/11 truthers are a strange bunch.

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honestly, there are so many inconsistencies that are plausible and deserve discussion that the "truthers" arent all they appear to be. sure, some are nuts. alot of the internet (see anonymous) are government black-ops. care to shed some light on black-ops, BG?
the idea is to kill the message by discrediting the messengers. alot of these guys are government agents...spreading obvious disinformation to discredit the entire subject.
the good guys; david ray griffen, professor steven jones, mike ruppert, they never get a mention. its always some wacko talking about how no planes hit the towers or stupid shit like that that gets attention. think about it.
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troubleatiu Feb 4 2009, 01:38 PM Post #9
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post 54 and on from "barkys stimulus thread" belong here. im not very computer literate, but im going to attempt to cut and paste the arguments here.

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iucoltfan-Im talking about airport security.........reread my post.......people getting shit through security etc.....troubleatiu-4x in 1 day? mike ruppert also mentions two other possible teams who were left on the ground that day, one due to mechanical failure and the other because their flight hadnt taken off before the grounding order was issued. that would make 6 in 1 day.
if the incompetence was that widespread, WHY WASNT SOMEBODY FIRED?
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Why were box-cutters allowed on the planes, and why didn't the Feds follow up on reports of Muslims taking flight training, some only wanting to learn how to take off, not land. The latter is part of our systemic PC culture. Who are you going to fire to address that? Hell, we elected a far left President who will make PC worse.
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troubleatiu Feb 4 2009, 01:39 PM Post #11
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"Who are you going to fire to address that?" double quote

answer, AS MANY AS IT TAKES. 3000 people died that day. if i had to fire 3000 in exchange i would have. ive seen guys get fired where i work for practically nothing. they lock out air, electic, and forget hydraulic...FIRED.
bottom line is many failed that day, and in the days leading up to it. to not fire ANYBODY, ANYWHERE, FOR ANYTHING, is mind boggling. was it incompetence? if not, what was it?
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Sorry guys I should have never brought up 9/11 with trouble.

I do not think anyone in the Govt was behind it. I do not know if we shot the plane down in Penn and do I really believe it probably not.
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Trouble,

I think we shot that plane down in Penn. What do you think??????yes we did. the debris field was scattered over a 5 mile area, not what one would expect from a crash, but from a mid-air explosion. one engine was found a mile from the crash-site and the official explanation was it BOUNCED there. also, the county coroner found no bodies in the crater...i still cant explain that one. the military was able to confirm the identies of most on board, but the coroner swears no body parts existed in the crater. where were they and how did they get where they were if they werent in the crater?
eye witnesses, which by the way arent that reliable, (everybody sees something different) also reported an unmarked, white, military plane in the area at the time of the crash.

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troubleatiu Feb 4 2009, 01:41 PM Post #14
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Trouble I have heard that case before that is why I believe it is possible we shot it down but what good does it do to say we shot it down. let the survivors believe they went down as heroes and you have the phone call and lets roll comment. None of us will ever know for sure except the pilot if the plane if it was shot down and whomever ordered it to be shot down.
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troubleatiu Feb 4 2009, 01:42 PM Post #15
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the main point is if one lie can be proven, how many more are just below the surface? the government has long maintained its official position (which btw, changed several times in the first 2 days), once you knock a block out of it, how many more might fall?
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