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Also, NORAD not being able to intercept one of three commercial jets within the span of an hour and a half or more?
Maybe we have improved dramitcally since then, but if I recall a few weeks ago, when Marcus Schrenker jumped out of his plane in south Alabama, our air force intercepted it before it got to Florida with the intent of shooting it down if it were to endanger lives on the ground. I realize he called in a distress call, but seriously.....like Phil said, we weren't able to intercept any "missing" 757 planes, which should have shown up on radar heading towards NY & the capital?
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Also, NORAD not being able to intercept one of three commercial jets within the span of an hour and a half or more?
Maybe we have improved dramitcally since then, but if I recall a few weeks ago, when Marcus Schrenker jumped out of his plane in south Alabama, our air force intercepted it before it got to Florida with the intent of shooting it down if it were to endanger lives on the ground. I realize he called in a distress call, but seriously.....like Phil said, we weren't able to intercept any "missing" 757 planes, which should have shown up on radar heading towards NY & the capital?
not to mention that PRIOR to that, norad never had a problem tracking down off-course planes. it was routine to send a jet up for observation (more than 1 a week every year), the most famous being payne stewart (the golfer) in '99 i think. fighter jets followed it from louisiana, texas, maybe? ( i cant remember exactly where it went off course, but it was down south), all the way until it crashed in the dakotas. they even handed off chase responsibilities along the way to different air national guard units. nobody had a problem that day, or the 60 or so other times it happens every year. all of a sudden on 9/11 NOBODY can do their job...hmn...
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In no way am I a "truther", but clearly the official story is full of holes, contradictions, and inconsistencies. Methinks this is due to incompetent federal officials attempting to cover their own asses rather than any conspiracy, per se.

Regardless, as I said the the Stimulus Plan thread, a novel approach to the problem of airline/airplane security would be to get the Feds the fuck out of the way and let the companies (airlines and airports) conduct security how the best see fit. Far more efficient than bureaucrats deciding what's best...
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Good points on the Florida "James Bond" guy who jumped from his plane as well as Payne Stewart. Nobody can scratch their nose in the sky without someone in the gov't knowing about it.

Can anyone help me with WTC 7? If there really is a great explanation for how it fell, I'm all ears.
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"Can anyone help me with WTC 7? If there really is a great explanation for how it fell, I'm all ears."-phil

im gonna look through my archives for a video of the actual collapse. if it aint a controlled demolition then ive never seen one. ill have it up in a few.
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Good points on the Florida "James Bond" guy who jumped from his plane as well as Payne Stewart. Nobody can scratch their nose in the sky without someone in the gov't knowing about it.

Can anyone help me with WTC 7? If there really is a great explanation for how it fell, I'm all ears.
I concur. The 9/11 Commission Report never even mentioned WTC 7...Strange indeed.
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Good points on the Florida "James Bond" guy who jumped from his plane as well as Payne Stewart. Nobody can scratch their nose in the sky without someone in the gov't knowing about it.

Can anyone help me with WTC 7? If there really is a great explanation for how it fell, I'm all ears.
I concur. The 9/11 Commission Report never even mentioned WTC 7...Strange indeed.
it was much easier to just avoid it.

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granted, the video was put out by 911truth.org but its not doctored. its the same collapse seen by millions now. the "signature" of a controlled demolition is the building "crimping" towards center, then the entire structure falling straight down. this limits collateral damage in confined spaces such as densely populated city blocks. its refered to as "falling into its own footprint." i challenge anybody to tell me this doesnt fit into that category.
also note the building that burned out of control for 15 hours and still stood. that was in venezuela i believe. (that is one of several over the years that burned, but never fell.) note the fires in WTC 7 prior to collapse. i wouldnt categorize them as an inferno, would you? the bottom was cut. no other way a building falls like that.
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if it aint a controlled demolition then ive never seen one.
Amen to that, Trouble. I honestly have no idea how it COULDN'T have been a controlled demolition. Again, I am very open-minded, and if I can get a reasonable explanation on WTC 7, I'd gladly hear it out. But diesel tanks in the basement... the "inferno" fires melting the steel (even though steel structures much larger have burned for much longer).... just terrible explanations. And I'm not a big engineering or physics guy, I just see the tape! I've seen so many different versions of the collapse from as many angles as I can get.

To Old School's point, it is certainly much easier to just omit WTC 7 from the 9/11 Report. That's why I'd be all for a new investigation lead by a non-governmental entity. Would something like that be possible, if the funding was there? I'm sure "state secrets," "red tape," and "national security" would get in the way, but fuck, guys, why can't we get a straight answer on this? I know WTC 7 was a pretty big spook headquarters (think CIA, NSA, FBI, Secret Service all in the same place). And if there are answers, they were probably buried with the building.
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if it aint a controlled demolition then ive never seen one.
Amen to that, Trouble. I honestly have no idea how it COULDN'T have been a controlled demolition. Again, I am very open-minded, and if I can get a reasonable explanation on WTC 7, I'd gladly hear it out. But diesel tanks in the basement... the "inferno" fires melting the steel (even though steel structures much larger have burned for much longer).... just terrible explanations. And I'm not a big engineering or physics guy, I just see the tape! I've seen so many different versions of the collapse from as many angles as I can get.

To Old School's point, it is certainly much easier to just omit WTC 7 from the 9/11 Report. That's why I'd be all for a new investigation lead by a non-governmental entity. Would something like that be possible, if the funding was there? I'm sure "state secrets," "red tape," and "national security" would get in the way, but fuck, guys, why can't we get a straight answer on this? I know WTC 7 was a pretty big spook headquarters (think CIA, NSA, FBI, Secret Service all in the same place). And if there are answers, they were probably buried with the building.
not to mention guiliani's "bunker." why wasnt he there that day? he "risked" life and limb being out in the open as God-knows -what was befalling this country in lieu of his "secure" command center. who would have known it would collapse without a direct hit before the day was done? all hail rudi. the man with "vision."
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granted, the video was put out by 911truth.org but its not doctored. its the same collapse seen by millions now. the "signature" of a controlled demolition is the building "crimping" towards center, then the entire structure falling straight down. this limits collateral damage in confined spaces such as densely populated city blocks. its refered to as "falling into its own footprint." i challenge anybody to tell me this doesnt fit into that category.
also note the building that burned out of control for 15 hours and still stood. that was in venezuela i believe. (that is one of several over the years that burned, but never fell.) note the fires in WTC 7 prior to collapse. i wouldnt categorize them as an inferno, would you? the bottom was cut. no other way a building falls like that.
The "signature crimping" occurs when the interior columns give way first. This can be accomplished by setting charges, or by fire weakening the main columns to a point of instability.
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granted, the video was put out by 911truth.org but its not doctored. its the same collapse seen by millions now. the "signature" of a controlled demolition is the building "crimping" towards center, then the entire structure falling straight down. this limits collateral damage in confined spaces such as densely populated city blocks. its refered to as "falling into its own footprint." i challenge anybody to tell me this doesnt fit into that category.
also note the building that burned out of control for 15 hours and still stood. that was in venezuela i believe. (that is one of several over the years that burned, but never fell.) note the fires in WTC 7 prior to collapse. i wouldnt categorize them as an inferno, would you? the bottom was cut. no other way a building falls like that.
The "signature crimping" occurs when the interior columns give way first. This can be accomplished by setting charges, or by fire weakening the main columns to a point of instability.
Good point. I would also imagine that the 757 probably caused massive structural damage. It would have HAD to have taken out some major supports right? I mean the Venezuela building didn't have a jet crash into it.
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granted, the video was put out by 911truth.org but its not doctored. its the same collapse seen by millions now. the "signature" of a controlled demolition is the building "crimping" towards center, then the entire structure falling straight down. this limits collateral damage in confined spaces such as densely populated city blocks. its refered to as "falling into its own footprint." i challenge anybody to tell me this doesnt fit into that category.
also note the building that burned out of control for 15 hours and still stood. that was in venezuela i believe. (that is one of several over the years that burned, but never fell.) note the fires in WTC 7 prior to collapse. i wouldnt categorize them as an inferno, would you? the bottom was cut. no other way a building falls like that.
The "signature crimping" occurs when the interior columns give way first. This can be accomplished by setting charges, or by fire weakening the main columns to a point of instability.
Good point. I would also imagine that the 757 probably caused massive structural damage. It would have HAD to have taken out some major supports right? I mean the Venezuela building didn't have a jet crash into it.
WTC 7 wasn't struck by a plane. I took a few classes in structural design and stability, and it never surprised me that the two main towers came down. Why do people think we spend so much money spraying insulation on exposed steel in parking garages?
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granted, the video was put out by 911truth.org but its not doctored. its the same collapse seen by millions now. the "signature" of a controlled demolition is the building "crimping" towards center, then the entire structure falling straight down. this limits collateral damage in confined spaces such as densely populated city blocks. its refered to as "falling into its own footprint." i challenge anybody to tell me this doesnt fit into that category.
also note the building that burned out of control for 15 hours and still stood. that was in venezuela i believe. (that is one of several over the years that burned, but never fell.) note the fires in WTC 7 prior to collapse. i wouldnt categorize them as an inferno, would you? the bottom was cut. no other way a building falls like that.
The "signature crimping" occurs when the interior columns give way first. This can be accomplished by setting charges, or by fire weakening the main columns to a point of instability.
it could be. but no fires are burning of any significance in WTC 7. what you have are very small, orange flame, (low heat) fires widely dispersed throughout a steel-beam, CONCRETE reinforced building.
what you (and the government) is putting up as POSSIBLE are really not PLAUSIBLE. theres no way those tiny orange fires have enough heat to melt steel. were not talking 1/4" sheet here, were talking 5" thick BOX BEAMS. stop and think a minute. it takes an oxygen and acetylene torch focused for a few minutes (blueish-white flame fed by oxygen to maintain heat) to cut through these things, (i for one know, its my background).
these orange (low heat) flames cannot bring down a skyscraper. if it could, why was no study done shortly after 9/11 to study any other high-rise buildings who might be in danger from low heat fires? theres thousands of these buildings across the US, and fires break out routinely, but none fall. how did 3 fALL IN 1 DAY? one of which, WTC 7, fell by fire alone? no plane hit this building, remember?
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Ohhhhh, WTC 7....I didn't catch that.
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