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Old_School Feb 4 2009, 11:41 PM Post #46
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The entire economy is fucked. Welcome to 2009, guys.
I feel bad for the College Seniors better look into Grad Sschool
Me too, especially because I am one. Well, a junior. I don't know what I'm gonna do in the future... :-/
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The entire economy is fucked. Welcome to 2009, guys.
I feel bad for the College Seniors better look into Grad Sschool
Yeah, maybe a good time to go for a post-doc.
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back on topic: insider trading on 9/11

Insider Trading
a. Unknown speculators allegedly used foreknowledge of the Sept. 11th events to profiteer on many markets internationally - including but not limited to "put options" placed to short-sell the two airlines, WTC tenants, and WTC re-insurance companies in Chicago and London.
b. In addition, suspicious monetary transactions worth hundreds of millions were conducted through offices at the Twin Towers during the actual attacks.
c. Initial reports on these trades were suppressed and forgotten, and only years later did the 9/11 Commission and SEC provide a partial, but untenable explanation for only a small number of transactions (covering only the airline put options through the Chicago Board of Exchange).

A September 21 story by the Israeli Herzliyya International Policy Institute for Counterterrorism, entitled "Black Tuesday: The World's Largest Insider Trading Scam?" documented the following trades connected to the September 11 attacks:

- Between September 6 and 7, the Chicago Board Options Exchange saw purchases of 4,744 put options on United Airlines, but only 396 call options. Assuming that 4,000 of the options were bought by people with advance knowledge of the imminent attacks, these "insiders" would have profited by almost $5 million.

- On September 10, 4,516 put options on American Airlines were bought on the Chicago exchange, compared to only 748 calls. Again, there was no news at that point to justify this imbalance; Again, assuming that 4,000 of these options trades represent "insiders," they would represent a gain of about $4 million.

- [The levels of put options purchased above were more than six times higher than normal.]

- No similar trading in other airlines occurred on the Chicago exchange in the days immediately preceding Black Tuesday.

- Morgan Stanley Dean Witter & Co., which occupied 22 floors of the World Trade Center, saw 2,157 of its October $45 put options bought in the three trading days before Black Tuesday; this compares to an average of 27 contracts per day before September 6. Morgan Stanley's share price fell from $48.90 to $42.50 in the aftermath of the attacks. Assuming that 2,000 of these options contracts were bought based upon knowledge of the approaching attacks, their purchasers could have profited by at least $1.2 million.

- Merrill Lynch & Co., with headquarters near the Twin Towers, saw 12,215 October $45 put options bought in the four trading days before the attacks; the previous average volume in those shares had been 252 contracts per day [a 1200% increase!]. When trading resumed, Merrill's shares fell from $46.88 to $41.50; assuming that 11,000 option contracts were bought by "insiders," their profit would have been about $5.5 million.

- European regulators are examining trades in Germany's Munich Re, Switzerland's Swiss Re, and AXA of France, all major reinsurers with exposure to the Black Tuesday disaster. [FTW Note: AXA also owns more than 25% of American Airlines stock making the attacks a "double whammy" for them.]

On September 29, 2001 - in a vital story that has gone unnoticed by the major media - the San Francisco Chronicle reported, "Investors have yet to collect more than $2.5 million in profits they made trading options in the stock of United Airlines before the Sept. 11, terrorist attacks, according to a source familiar with the trades and market data.

"The uncollected money raises suspicions that the investors - whose identities and nationalities have not been made public - had advance knowledge of the strikes." They don't dare show up now. The suspension of trading for four days after the attacks made it impossible to cash-out quickly and claim the prize before investigators started looking.

apparently somebody or sombodies made alot of money off 9/11. ive had people tell me, "thats easy, bin ladens guys did it to further finance their operations." this is bullshit. if it was bin laden, it would have been exposed as proof of his guilt long ago. this was covered up and never mentioned nor pursued.
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Good info, trouble. Have you heard Larry Silverstein (the lease-holder on the WTC) could make somewhere between $4-$7 Billion from the insurance pay-out, whereas the lease was really only worth somewhere in the neighborhood of $3 Billion?

Larry Silverstein also said they wanted to "pull" WTC 7 on 9/11. Youtube it. I'm not kidding.
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Good info, trouble. Have you heard Larry Silverstein (the lease-holder on the WTC) could make somewhere between $4-$7 Billion from the insurance pay-out, whereas the lease was really only worth somewhere in the neighborhood of $3 Billion?

Larry Silverstein also said they wanted to "pull" WTC 7 on 9/11. Youtube it. I'm not kidding.
im familiar with that as well. there are so many layers of inconsistencies here. its like its 3-tiered so to speak. you have the top-tier in your face problems: WTC7, insider trading, war game simulations THAT VERY DAY, (which im putting up in a bit), the FBI branches in minneapolis and phoenix halting and what i would consider (UNDERMINING) al qaeda investigations that summer. (moussoui was in minneapolis, and 2 of the 19 confirmed hijackers lived in phoenix under their real names AND WERE UNDER SURVEILLENCE) after that it filters down into other tiers.
take silverman. as lease holder of WTC 1 & 2 obviously he's entitled to insurance money as a result of them being destroyed. nothing wrong or suspicious about that. but stop and consider the above inconsistencies, TAKEN WITH HIS COMMENTS on "pulling" the building (which he made in a PBS documentary) you get into the 2nd tier. "pulling" a building requires more than 5 hours of work by trained professionals. if it was "pulled" charges would have to have been pre-planted prior to that day. then other, otherwise random bits of "nothing" by themselves, turn into more "bottom-tier" pieces of circumstantial evidence.
its a mess when you break it down.
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Wargames
a. US military and other authorities planned or actually rehearsed defensive response to all elements of the 9/11 scenario during the year prior to the attack - including multiple hijackings, suicide crashbombings, and a strike on the Pentagon.
b. The multiple military wargames planned long in advance and held on the morning of September 11th included scenarios of a domestic air crisis, a plane crashing into a government building, and a large-scale emergency in New York. If this was only an incredible series of coincidences, why did the official investigations avoid the issue? There is evidence that the wargames created confusion as to whether the unfolding events were "real world or exercise." Did wargames serve as the cover for air defense sabotage, and/or the execution of an "inside job"?

We know multiple Air Force war games were running on the morning of 9/11, as documented extensively in the mainstream press. (16-footnote from original article) What Crossing the Rubicon has documented conclusively is that there was a live-fly drill taking place on 9/11 titled Vigilant Warrior. Richard Clarke disclosed the name of this drill on page 4 of his book, but it was Major Don Arias of NORAD who confirmed the definition of the title "Warrior" to Mike Ruppert via email.

Warrior = JCS/HQ NORAD sponsored FTX, or field training exercise (live-fly). 17

That means that the Vigilant Warrior drill conducted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff involved at least one real commercial aircraft in the skies, intended to simulate exactly the kind of airliner hijack emergency presented on 9/11. Coincidence?

This was further supported by an April 18 2004 USA Today article titled, "NORAD had drills of jets as weapons." The report cited NORAD officials who confirmed live-fly drills were conducted using hijacked airliners originating from the continental United States used as weapons crashing into targets including the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. The specific drill USA Today referred to was "planned in July [2001] and conducted later" - likely on 9/11 itself. 18

Remember, on 9/11 the Bush administration claimed it had "no idea" aircraft would be used as weapons. Then why were they drilling such scenarios before and during 9/11? The Whitehouse dodged this by saying it wasn't aware of these drills but that is a transparent lie. The drills took place in the Whitehouse! 19

Additional war games on 9/11 included Northern Vigilance, an exercise that pulled Air Force fighters from the east coast of the United States up into Canada and Alaska simulating an attack out of Russia. All of those fighters were rendered useless as the 9/11 plot unfolded - too far away to respond.

One of the components of this drill included "false blips" (radar injects simulating aircraft in flight) placed on FAA radar screens. 21 At one point FAA head Jane Garvey said they suspected up to 11 hijackings on 9/11. Was she saying they couldn't determine which were real, which were simulated, and which were live-fly military exercises?

There were likely false blips on screen even after 9:16. The Kean Commission's report introduced "phantom flight-11" as being reported by the FAA at 9:25 on 9/11. The FAA reported flight 11 was heading to Washington D.C. at that time when in fact it had already struck the World Trade Center. The Kean Commission's report stated they were "unable to locate the source of the mistaken FAA information." 23

Now imagine being an air traffic controller with both real planes and "false blips" simulating hijackings on your screens when suddenly there are real, multiple, hijackings. Where do you send the few Air Force fighters that you have? You can't guess wrong, you don't have enough assets for that. The FAA doesn't even make that decision, the military does. The Kean Commission managed to scapegoat the FAA in their report, but the Air Force itself confirmed the FAA did its job properly on 9/11 in Air War Over America. 24

There were more 9/11 war games including Northern Guardian, Northern Denial (recently confirmed by an Assistant Editor at Harper's magazine) and an unnamed National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) drill for a plane crashing into NRO headquarters at precisely the time of an actual crash in New York.

War games, terror drills and exercises are run by the military quite frequently. In this case, they mirrored the real attacks of 9/11 with such shocking congruence as to be beyond the realm of coincidence.

This is made clear when we consider the warnings that had flooded U.S. Intelligence prior to 9/11, indicating that terrorists were planning to hijack aircraft and crash them into American targets on the ground during the week of September 9th, 2001. 25 With that type of information, who in their right mind would then schedule war games that would leave New York and Washington D.C. completely undefended?

why did our air defense system fail so miserably that day? they couldnt discern "real-time from exercise." real clever of bin laden to co-ordinate his attack on the very day NORAD planned all these "games." dreachon, you surmised that maybe the military could have, but didnt want to, shoot down commercial aircraft with americans aboard. maybe they were chasing their tails all day? how many "false-blips" might have been chased that day, only to discover no aircraft present when a fighter reached the area?
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Again, great info, trouble. Now, pair the war games on 9/11 with the Bush administration's straight up lie that no one in the U.S. government could have thought that hijacked planes could be flown into buildings. Apparently, NORAD was being drilled on THAT VERY SCENARIO on THAT VERY DAY!

Unreal.
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Again, great info, trouble. Now, pair the war games on 9/11 with the Bush administration's straight up lie that no one in the U.S. government could have thought that hijacked planes could be flown into buildings. Apparently, NORAD was being drilled on THAT VERY SCENARIO on THAT VERY DAY!

Unreal.
according to BG01, we're "neo-hippies." according to the MSM we're "conspiracy theorists." all of you reading along...i have thoroughly researched EVERYTHING that i have posted. there is no "conspiracy" present in what i put up. THEY ARE FACTS.
people made money on 9/11. (insider trading) war games were going on that simulated the days events. the administration lied about knowledge, EVEN AS THEY RAN THE SIMULATIONS. WTC7 fell in an uncanny resemblance of a controlled demolition (never having been hit by any plane.) nobody within the entire chain of events were disciplined for incompetency. where does that leave us?
people there is NO "CONSPIRACY" here. something happened WAY BEYOND what we were told.
lars, BG01? why are you so silent? im going to beat you to the punch and put up another thread explaining your behavior. dont you guys love me?
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Fire Ravages Renowned Building in Beijing
By ANDREW JACOBS
BEIJING — A fierce blaze started by an illegal fireworks show engulfed one of the Chinese capital’s most architecturally celebrated modern buildings on Monday, the last day of festivities for the Lunar New Year, the official Xinhua News Agency reported Tuesday.

The fire was not extinguished until early Tuesday morning. Xinhua, quoting a fire official, said a fireworks company had been hired to ignite several hundred large firecrackers in an open space outside the building, the Mandarin Oriental Hotel, which was under construction.

The official described them as illegal fireworks that much more powerful and explosive than those sold at roadside stalls.

One firefighter was killed and seven people were injured, including six firefighters, according to Xinhua.

The 34-story building, designed by the Dutch architect Rem Koolhaas and containing the hotel and a cultural center, is part of China Central Television’s new headquarters, an angular behemoth built to coincide with the Beijing Olympics last year. The structure consists of two slanting towers that are joined by spans at the top and bottom. Xinhua reported that CCTV had hired the fireworks company.

Firefighters, their equipment reaching up only a dozen or so floors, could do little to contain the blaze, a spectacular wall of flames reflected in the glass skin of the adjacent CCTV tower.

The CCTV complex was an expensive trophy of the pre-Olympics building boom, the result of many billions of dollars that the Communist Party had devoted to making Beijing a city of the future. The main CCTV tower appeared untouched by the fire.

The 241-room hotel, which had been due to open this summer, was unoccupied at the time, hotel executives said.

According to Chinese television, the fire began at 8:27 p.m. Monday, although witnesses said they spotted flames as early as 7:45 p.m. Within 20 minutes, they said, the fire had spread from the lower floors to the building’s crown. Smoke drifted across the night sky, obliterating a full moon.

The authorities blocked off a thoroughfare known as the Third Ring Road, which runs adjacent to the complex. Subway cars running underneath the site were briefly halted, stranding thousands of passengers. Frantic police officers tried to shoo away huge crowds as sirens wailed and fireworks lighted up the skyline . People watching noted that the timing of the fire, at the end of the spring festival, was inauspicious.

The city had been crackling with fireworks for the annual Lantern Festival, the final day of the two-week Chinese New Year holiday.

A spokesman for Mr. Koolhaas’s firm in Rotterdam, the Office for Metropolitan Architecture, called the fire “a great tragedy.” The spokesman, Stefan Petermann, said the firm had won the competition for the building in 2002; groundbreaking took place in 2004, and the building was due to be completed this May.

As they stood gaping at the blaze, many people said the fire would be widely interpreted as a poor omen for the coming year.

Fan Wenxin, 20, a waiter who works a few blocks from the complex, rattled off a litany of disasters that have shaken China in recent months, among them the Sichuan earthquake, the riots in Tibet and a drought that has left Beijing and much of northern China without precipitation for more than three months. “This does not bode well for the new year,” he said.



goddamn, THATS a fire. amazing, the BUILDING STILL STOOD WHEN THE FIRE WENT OUT. compare to:



i really dont care what you might think of me...this smells...BAD.
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