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| boilergrad01 | Feb 15 2009, 01:16 AM Post #16 |
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Trouble, You have bigger things to worry about right now. This is not gonna happen anytime soon. ISR is not gonna hit Iran anytime soon. Iran does however supply Hamas and Hezbullah |
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| BoilerUpAT | Feb 15 2009, 03:36 PM Post #17 |
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What is your take on the fact that Iranian trained insurgents, Iranian weapons and Iranian backed ($$$) insurgents have maimed and killed hundreds of our troops in Iraq? Iran is not a friendly nation towards the West (for reasons that we can all debate) and has spoken out against the US for backing the state of Israel. I'm not saying go bomb Iran or anything, or even to back the Israelis if they do. However, be aware Iran is not functioning in best interests of Western democracies. Iran is a richly diverse has an amazing history and culture. I appreciate their history and religious views, and they are completely different than those of Israel. Somehow we must find a way to co-exist with both nations, but that is difficult and I am not sure if that will ever happen. Iran and its hard line government (but not most of the people) have taken a stance against Israel and the West, predominantly us. They have interfered in our foreign policy in Iraq, have threatened to destroy Israel, have aligned themselves with Russia in terms of arms and energy, and are making a push for power in the region. We have chosen to back Israel, which conflicts with the stance of their government. If we are to defend Israel and its right to exist, it puts our views in contrast with theirs and therefore makes us unfriendly at best and an enemy at worst. Until there is regime change, that doesn't believe in the prophecy of the 12th Imam and the destruction of Israel, to a more modern and outreaching government in Iran, there will always be tension. Edited by BoilerUpAT, Feb 16 2009, 07:47 AM.
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| troubleatiu | Feb 16 2009, 08:33 AM Post #18 |
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you mention the same issues that are repeated ad naseum in the media. but heres the bottom line: weve chosen to push this confrontation on the grounds that iran is, 1.) attempting to build a nuclear arsenal and 2.) as soon as they aquire one they will use it against israel. the first point is continually shot down by even our own intelligence. but the rhetoric from washington remains the same. the second point is obviously opinion. i, along with many analysts, believe this to be absured. the number of nukes cooridinated to tehran by the west is in the thousands. ahmadinajad is nothing more than a figure head. despite his penchant for being loud-mouthed, belicose, and arrogant, he cant make any decisions; that power lies within the ruling clerics. lets address iraq. from the time of the iraq/iran war in '80-'88 iranian agents have been infiltrating iraq. its even believed now they infiltrated the INC (iraqi national congress) prior to the 2nd gulf war. so whether its right or wrong, this pattern of behavior goes back 25 years, past the US occupation. its also no different than how our intelligence agency works. weve been involved in government destabilization for years. nicaragua, colombia, chile, the phillipines, nigeria, IRAN in the 50's, and the "stan republics" of the old USSR come to mind immediately. weve either worked to overthrow those unfriendly to our interests, or supported ruthless dictators who were friendly to us. this is a great example of american hypocrisy. what we say and what we do are two completely different things. |
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| BoilerUpAT | Feb 16 2009, 09:51 AM Post #19 |
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I never push confrontation w/ Iran, I think it would be terrible to be honest. However, like I state US foreign policy is to support Israel. None of us know really what the Iranians are doing with the centrifuges and all the refining capability they are building. We are subject to only what we can be fed by the media and what we can research ourselves online, which is all probably screened by the State Dept and CIA anyway. I, honestly for one, don't think that any country should be denied the use of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes. Who are we to say that anyone can't use it? As long as Iran plays by the rules the rest of the nuclear countries do (IAEA inspections, regulations, etc) then they should be allowed. However, when Iran refused to comply with IAEA doctrine how is it not possible to fathom they have other intentions besides energy production? The old eulogy works here to-if you have nothing to hide then why hide it? The fact of the matter is that Iranian power comes from the clerics and the Supreme Leader, etc, and they have differing views than the west does. Unless we can learn to live with our differences there will always be tension between our nations. The Prophet Ezekiel in chapter 38 speaks of the War of Gog and Magog, which may be the prelude to the return of Christ and Revelation, etc. These prophecies have been translated into the alliance of Russia and Iran along with the Arab states against Israel and the West. During the war, Israel will destroy the Muslim al-Aqsa Mosque and raise a new Temple Mount to welcome the return of Christ. Some believe that tension between the West and Iran, along with the alliance of Iran and Russia as a precursor to the war that will result in conflict beyond proportions. |
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| troubleatiu | Feb 16 2009, 10:16 AM Post #20 |
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"The Prophet Ezekiel in chapter 38 speaks of the War of Gog and Magog, which may be the prelude to the return of Christ and Revelation, etc. These prophecies have been translated into the alliance of Russia and Iran along with the Arab states against Israel and the West. During the war, Israel will destroy the Muslim al-Aqsa Mosque and raise a new Temple Mount to welcome the return of Christ. Some believe that tension between the West and Iran, along with the alliance of Iran and Russia as a precursor to the war that will result in conflict beyond proportions."-boilerupat im very familiar with that. im also inclined to believe that no matter what actions are taken by men, the "final plan" as determined by the Bible will go forth as stated. events on the ground seem to be pushing us that way. its a catch-22 for me; on one hand i try to show the hypocrisy from our government, knowing at the same time the end game is inevitable. you also have to look at ALL the prophesies. in the end, israel accepts the antichrist as the messiah, and he sets himself up in the temple as God. the battle of arrmeggon is described as the kings of the north, east, and south marching on israel to do battle with the antichrist. where is america and europe?? there is no king of the west. it leads to a most disturbing conclusion...the west is antichrist. the visions of the prophet daniel point in this direction; out of the "revived" roman empire, which is europe and america, that which was never conquered, but simply fell away. (the toes in the statue made of iron and clay.) |
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| BoilerUpAT | Feb 16 2009, 11:45 AM Post #21 |
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I agree w/ your statement about the hypocrisy of our government, but our foreign policy in the Middle East has been such since 1947 in many ways (supporting the Shah in Iran, Iran Contra, supporting Iraq against Iran, supporting the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan against USSR, now fighting them basically, etc) I also agree that this cataclysmic turn of events in inevitable as well.
Edited by BoilerUpAT, Feb 16 2009, 11:46 AM.
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