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gun control legislation introduced
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troubleatiu Feb 16 2009, 09:11 AM Post #1
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here it comes. a democrat congress with a democrat president; the assault is on. has anybody else heard of HR 45? this is the first ive seen it.

Blair Holt Firearm Licensing
& Record of Sale Act
2-16-9

Very Important for you to be aware of a new bill HR 45 introduced into the House.

This is the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009.

We just learned yesterday about this on the Peter Boyles radio program.

Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because it is flying under the radar.

To find out about this - go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009. You will get all the information.

Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless:

·It is registered

·You are fingerprinted

·You supply a current Driver's License

·You supply your Social Security #

·You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing

·Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.

·There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18.

They would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison.

If you think this is a joke - go to the website and take your pick of many options to read this. It is long and lengthy. But, more and more people are becoming aware of this. Pass the word along. Any hunters in your family - pass this along.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45

currently indiana requires some of these measures to obtain a PPP (personal protection permit, which i have). that allows me to carry it on my person or concealed in my vehicle. ownership alone for home defense does not require any of these with the exception of a background check to determine if your allowed to own one. (positive ID required obviously). i mean handguns bought from a dealer. example, i was finger printed for my permit, but not when i bought it. a private citizen can buy from another private citizen with no restrictions. there are no background checks for hunting equipment, rifles, shotguns, etc...this is an attempt to register ALL firearms in the US under one federal database, and take away states right in determining laws and put them under federal guidelines. this bill is currently in committee.

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BoilerUpAT Feb 16 2009, 09:28 AM Post #2
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FUCK THESE ASSHOLES. THEY CAN KISS MY ASS. I WILL NEVER REGISTER
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Thank the Paulites. If they had turned out McCain would have won. He was evil so they say and instead the three headed liberal monster was formed. Trouble I know you voted with interest like these in mind but your otther brothers rubber stamped these kind of bills when the didn't support the only true opposition Obama and the Liberal agenda.
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Thank the Paulites. If they had turned out McCain would have won. He was evil so they say and instead the three headed liberal monster was formed. Trouble I know you voted with interest like these in mind but your otther brothers rubber stamped these kind of bills when the didn't support the only true opposition Obama and the Liberal agenda.
mccain lost by 10 million votes. the paulites didnt cost him the election. his own unelectability did him in.
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Troble

ADD up these states

North Carolina
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IN
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Thanks to the GOP for fielding an unconservative candidate in John McCain.
Ron Paul should have been their candidate. He never "lost" a debate, was firm in conservative values and tax cuts and reduced government spending. He was the only candidate on the GOP side that would have appeased the liberal need and want to end the war in Iraq as well.
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This is unsettling because it is just another increment towards totalitarianism. One thing ALL tyrants have had in common is that they move to disarm the population they wish to control. Obama may become tyrannical, but I doubt it. It would take another attack on U.S. shores to even open up that possibility, imho.
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You should stay away from Email forwards like this. While most of the email is true about the gun registration, several things are inaccurate.

No SS# is required.
You do not submit to a physical or mental test at any time of their choosing
They cannot come into your home to inspect that the gun is stored properly.
Updates of the gun through sale or gift do not cost $25

Obviously I'm against much of this as well, but information like this should be posted accurately. Here's the bill.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text
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troubleatiu Feb 16 2009, 10:25 AM Post #9
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This is unsettling because it is just another increment towards totalitarianism. One thing ALL tyrants have had in common is that they move to disarm the population they wish to control. Obama may become tyrannical, but I doubt it. It would take another attack on U.S. shores to even open up that possibility, imho.
what scares me the most is putting these laws on the books as america falls further into economic decline. that would open up the window for world government. the first thing that has to be done to get us there is void our constitution. THAT is a stated goal of the elites and the liberal base buys into that. remember, dubbya really got the ball rolling with all his "terrorism" fear-mongering. now trash the 1st and 2nd amendment and have our economy completely crash and were about there.
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troubleatiu Feb 16 2009, 10:36 AM Post #10
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You should stay away from Email forwards like this. While most of the email is true about the gun registration, several things are inaccurate.

No SS# is required.
You do not submit to a physical or mental test at any time of their choosing
They cannot come into your home to inspect that the gun is stored properly.
Updates of the gun through sale or gift do not cost $25

Obviously I'm against much of this as well, but information like this should be posted accurately. Here's the bill.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text
SEC. 403. INSPECTIONS.
In order to ascertain compliance with this Act, the amendments made by this Act, and the regulations and orders issued under this Act, the Attorney General may, during regular business hours, enter any place in which firearms or firearm products are manufactured, stored, or held, for distribution in commerce, and inspect those areas where the products are so manufactured, stored, or held.

SEC. 301. UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECK REQUIREMENT.
Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by sections 101 and 201 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

‘(cc) Universal Background Check Requirement-

‘(1) REQUIREMENT- Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell, deliver, or otherwise transfer a firearm to any person other than such a licensee, unless the transfer is processed through a licensed dealer in accordance with subsection (t).

these 2 address the inspection and ss # issues straight from the outline i got from you. the bill is 365 pages long. ive no doubt the physical/mental tests, and the $25 fee is also accurate, just buried somewhere.
this was also not an email. i got this straight from a pro-gun watchdog site.
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troubleatiu Feb 16 2009, 10:46 AM Post #11
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heres something else i just found that has not been mentioned yet:

(7) a certificate attesting to the completion at the time of application of a written firearms examination, which shall test the knowledge and ability of the applicant regarding--

(A) the safe storage of firearms, particularly in the vicinity of persons who have not attained 18 years of age;

(B) the safe handling of firearms;

(C) the use of firearms in the home and the risks associated with such use;

(D) the legal responsibilities of firearms owners, including Federal, State, and local laws relating to requirements for the possession and storage of firearms, and relating to reporting requirements with respect to firearms; and

(E) any other subjects, as the Attorney General determines to be appropriate;

dont be fooled. this is draconian legislation and is an infringement upon the 2nd amendment.
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troubleatiu Feb 16 2009, 10:48 AM Post #12
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heres this in the outline:

(8) an authorization by the applicant to release to the Attorney General or an authorized representative of the Attorney General any mental health records pertaining to the applicant;

im positive my initial post is 100% accurate.
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boilergrad01 Feb 16 2009, 10:50 AM Post #13
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Trouble,

Relax brother. The MSM will shed light on this bill and it will not get passed.
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troubleatiu Feb 16 2009, 10:52 AM Post #14
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heres the fee:

(2) FEE AMOUNT- The amount of the fee collected under this subsection shall be not less than the amount determined by the Attorney General to be necessary to ensure that the total amount of all fees collected under this subsection during a fiscal year is sufficient to cover the costs of carrying out this title during that fiscal year, except that such amount shall not exceed $25.

dreachon, it looks like you were quick to criticize. its 100% accurate.
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troubleatiu Feb 16 2009, 10:57 AM Post #15
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more:

(c) Form of License- A firearm license issued under this section shall be in the form of a tamper-resistant card, and shall include--

(1) the photograph of the licensed individual submitted with the application;

(2) the address of the licensed individual;

(3) the date of birth of the licensed individual;

(4) a license number, unique to each licensed individual;

(5) the expiration date of the license, which shall be the date that is 5 years after the initial anniversary of the date of birth of the licensed individual following the date on which the license is issued (or in the case of a license renewal, following the date on which the license is renewed under section 104);

(6) the signature of the licensed individual provided on the application, or a facsimile of the application; and

(7) centered at the top of the license, capitalized, and in boldface type, the following:

‘FIREARM LICENSE--NOT VALID FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE’.

what would #5 do to my lifetime indiana permit? would it over ride it? i paid $125 for a "lifetime" permit a year ago.
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