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gun control legislation introduced
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sirbrianwilson Feb 16 2009, 10:57 AM Post #16
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yawn.
thats exactly how this shit will go through.
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You should stay away from Email forwards like this. While most of the email is true about the gun registration, several things are inaccurate.

No SS# is required.
You do not submit to a physical or mental test at any time of their choosing
They cannot come into your home to inspect that the gun is stored properly.
Updates of the gun through sale or gift do not cost $25

Obviously I'm against much of this as well, but information like this should be posted accurately. Here's the bill.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text
SEC. 403. INSPECTIONS.
In order to ascertain compliance with this Act, the amendments made by this Act, and the regulations and orders issued under this Act, the Attorney General may, during regular business hours, enter any place in which firearms or firearm products are manufactured, stored, or held, for distribution in commerce, and inspect those areas where the products are so manufactured, stored, or held.

SEC. 301. UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECK REQUIREMENT.
Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by sections 101 and 201 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

?(cc) Universal Background Check Requirement-

?(1) REQUIREMENT- Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell, deliver, or otherwise transfer a firearm to any person other than such a licensee, unless the transfer is processed through a licensed dealer in accordance with subsection (t).

these 2 address the inspection and ss # issues straight from the outline i got from you. the bill is 365 pages long. ive no doubt the physical/mental tests, and the $25 fee is also accurate, just buried somewhere.
this was also not an email. i got this straight from a pro-gun watchdog site.
That means they can inspect a warehouse. They can't come into your home unless you're selling guns.
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troubleatiu Feb 16 2009, 11:10 AM Post #19
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You should stay away from Email forwards like this. While most of the email is true about the gun registration, several things are inaccurate.

No SS# is required.
You do not submit to a physical or mental test at any time of their choosing
They cannot come into your home to inspect that the gun is stored properly.
Updates of the gun through sale or gift do not cost $25

Obviously I'm against much of this as well, but information like this should be posted accurately. Here's the bill.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text
SEC. 403. INSPECTIONS.
In order to ascertain compliance with this Act, the amendments made by this Act, and the regulations and orders issued under this Act, the Attorney General may, during regular business hours, enter any place in which firearms or firearm products are manufactured, stored, or held, for distribution in commerce, and inspect those areas where the products are so manufactured, stored, or held.

SEC. 301. UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECK REQUIREMENT.
Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by sections 101 and 201 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

?(cc) Universal Background Check Requirement-

?(1) REQUIREMENT- Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell, deliver, or otherwise transfer a firearm to any person other than such a licensee, unless the transfer is processed through a licensed dealer in accordance with subsection (t).

these 2 address the inspection and ss # issues straight from the outline i got from you. the bill is 365 pages long. ive no doubt the physical/mental tests, and the $25 fee is also accurate, just buried somewhere.
this was also not an email. i got this straight from a pro-gun watchdog site.
That means they can inspect a warehouse. They can't come into your home unless you're selling guns.
im not so sure and are you really? if i own 10 guns and decide to sell one within the parameters of this law, do i qualify to be inspected in the future? it does not specifically exempt private property.
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Mr Gray Feb 16 2009, 11:18 AM Post #20
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yawn.
you would yawn at the thought of your constitutional freedoms eroding before your eyes? What kind of person are you?
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It will never get through the Senate.

Yes the Dems have the majority but Western Dems are pro gun. This will be filibustered plus The Women that replaced Hillary is pro gun they will not get two 60 votes in the Senate
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This is the dems putting up legislature to appease the far left and blame it on the Repubs
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BoilerUpAT Feb 16 2009, 11:35 AM Post #23
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You should stay away from Email forwards like this. While most of the email is true about the gun registration, several things are inaccurate.

No SS# is required.
You do not submit to a physical or mental test at any time of their choosing
They cannot come into your home to inspect that the gun is stored properly.
Updates of the gun through sale or gift do not cost $25

Obviously I'm against much of this as well, but information like this should be posted accurately. Here's the bill.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text
SEC. 403. INSPECTIONS.
In order to ascertain compliance with this Act, the amendments made by this Act, and the regulations and orders issued under this Act, the Attorney General may, during regular business hours, enter any place in which firearms or firearm products are manufactured, stored, or held, for distribution in commerce, and inspect those areas where the products are so manufactured, stored, or held.

SEC. 301. UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECK REQUIREMENT.
Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by sections 101 and 201 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

?(cc) Universal Background Check Requirement-

?(1) REQUIREMENT- Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell, deliver, or otherwise transfer a firearm to any person other than such a licensee, unless the transfer is processed through a licensed dealer in accordance with subsection (t).

these 2 address the inspection and ss # issues straight from the outline i got from you. the bill is 365 pages long. ive no doubt the physical/mental tests, and the $25 fee is also accurate, just buried somewhere.
this was also not an email. i got this straight from a pro-gun watchdog site.
That means they can inspect a warehouse. They can't come into your home unless you're selling guns.
Maybe, but this is just a stepping stone. If only "warehouses" then why not your house? If this passes the floodgates will open for this type of legislature. The fact is that this encroaches upon rights set forth by our founding documents and it should be abolished based simply on that fact alone.
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"Maybe, but this is just a stepping stone. If only "warehouses" then why not your house? If this passes the floodgates will open for this type of legislature. The fact is that this encroaches upon rights set forth by our founding documents and it should be abolished based simply on that fact alone."-boilerupat

whats just occurred to me is if were already trying to define the wording of an unpassed bill on a message board, what will happen when lawyers and anti-gunners get ahold of it if it becomes law? there are also parts in there after spelling out specifics in an area contain the clause...and anything else as deemed necessary by the attorney general. these are so far undefined loopholes in the bill. scary shit indeed.
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yawn.
thats exactly how this shit will go through.
funny how sir bri will "yawn" at any liberal agenda yet NEVER gives a reason........I guess his constitutional rights are boring and trivial to him? What a true american.......
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That means they can inspect a warehouse. They can't come into your home unless you're selling guns.
im not so sure and are you really? if i own 10 guns and decide to sell one within the parameters of this law, do i qualify to be inspected in the future? it does not specifically exempt private property.
It couldn't exempt 'private' property... otherwise every warehouse would be exempt.

I'm obviously not for this legislation, but it at least has a purpose unlike 90% of the other bills I read.
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finally.
Death to Signatures.
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troubleatiu Feb 16 2009, 07:29 PM Post #28
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That means they can inspect a warehouse. They can't come into your home unless you're selling guns.
im not so sure and are you really? if i own 10 guns and decide to sell one within the parameters of this law, do i qualify to be inspected in the future? it does not specifically exempt private property.
It couldn't exempt 'private' property... otherwise every warehouse would be exempt.

I'm obviously not for this legislation, but it at least has a purpose unlike 90% of the other bills I read.
so if it doesnt exempt private property it could apply to me or anybody else who ever wanted to sell a gun. if everybody is licensed and all firearms registered, it wouldnt be hard for the feds to inspect the premises where that transaction took place whether its a smith & wesson warehouse or a private home. this not only violates the 2nd amendment, but the 4th as well.

youre damn right this has a purpose. its to cut down on private, lawful ownership of guns and create a database that could be eventually used for a multitude of purposes.
criminals DO NOT abide by the law. thats why they are criminals. all this bill does is restrict lawful citizens ability to own and create a shitload of unnecessary regulations that unfortunately some people will inadvertently violate, therefore banning them from ownership and causing their weapons to be confiscated. its not uncommon for people to own 3 or more weapons:
a rifle or shot gun for hunting
one for home defense
one to carry on their person

that alone could exceed a $1500 investment.

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Bottom line is that it is un-Constitutional. Period. Standing by and letting any legislation like this get through is unpatriotic at best, disastrous at worst.
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youre damn right this has a purpose. its to cut down on private, lawful ownership of guns and create a database that could be eventually used for a multitude of purposes.
criminals DO NOT abide by the law. thats why they are criminals.

That's a bad misconception. The majority of criminals get guns by having other people purchase them through legal methods. This occurs because there's not a good record of keeping track of who purchased a gun and holding them accountable for acts committed with their gun. Right now, I could drive to Alabama, buy a few handguns, drive to New York and sell them for $5000 each. I could make $50,000 in one trip with 10 guns. Because there's no database of gun purchases, very few of these guns are ever tracked back to the person who purchased them, which makes it very easy to do this. The thinking from Law Enforcement is that if I tried to do this with a national database, they'd have a record of me driving to 10 cities in Alabama and purchasing a handgun at each store. That looks pretty fishy. Right now, none of these places talk to each other, so the people doing this look like just an average citizen wanting one gun with no criminal record.

Like I've said, I don't agree with this legislation, but the purpose isn't some fraud like a lot of other bills. There's a lot of law enforcement officers that have lost their lives due to guns purchased legally.

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