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Obama and the UN; Durban II
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Durban II Alert

Obama Administration Ignores Israeli and Canadian Pleas
Lends Credibility to Durban For First Time

This article, by Anne Bayefsky, originally appeared in National Review Online.

In a major foreign-policy decision taken over the weekend, President Obama has decided to legitimize the United Nations's "anti-racism" forum known as Durban II. State Department officials announced in a press release buried on Saturday, that starting today the United States will attend for the first time the preparatory meetings of this controversial U.N. conference. The "Durban Review Conference," scheduled for April in Geneva, is the progenitor of the anti-semitic hatefest that took place in South Africa in early September 2001.

The searing images of the demonization of America and Jews on the U.N.'s global stage, and the terrorism in New York 72 hours later, should have made joining this revived forum for U.N.-driven hate inconceivable. But President Obama seems intent on learning the lessons of history - and the relationship between hatemongering and violence - the hard way.

The State Department announcement claims that participating in Durban II preparations still leaves open the possibility of refusing to attend the April conference itself. The claim is completely disingenuous. They know full well that preparations are planned on and off-the-record from now until April and will likely continue until the final moments of the actual meeting - justifying ongoing participation under the guise of "still can't tell yet." Like diplomatic bees to honey. It is the decision to attend at all which represents a huge shift in American principles and priorities. For the past seven and a half years, the United States has boycotted Durban follow-up activities and voted against every Durban-related U.N. resolution.

Moreover, the very objective of Durban II is "to foster the implementation of the Durban Declaration and Program of Action." This is non-negotiable and cannot be changed by U.S. participation, period. In addition, all U.N. states attending these preparatory sessions have already agreed to "reaffirm the Durban Declaration". Since the U.S. walked out of Durban I in disgust (along with Israel) and rejected the Durban I Declaration, joining negotiations now means agreeing to its provisions for the first time.

But the Durban Declaration asserts that Palestinians are victims of Israeli racism. This is also the only country-specific accusation in a document purporting to address international racism and xenophobia. Regardless of the quantity of new vitriol in Durban II's final product, therefore, participation legitimizes the mantra of Israeli racism. What is new is that the new president of the United States doesn't care about the U.N.'s reincarnation of 'Zionism is racism'.

The position is not only repugnant, but naïve. Evidently, American officials believe that an African-American president can climb into a U.N. anti-racism ring, throw his weight around, and the 56 member states of the Organization of the Islamic Conference will roll over and play dead. Or hard-liners like Ireland, Portugal, Switzerland, Norway and New Zealand, and developing countries like South Africa, will jump on a U.S.-led bandwagon.

It will be painful to watch the administration forced to enroll in U.N. 101. At Durban I, the European Union did a numbers count and recognized that Western democracies were bound for the back of the bus. So they proceeded to permit condemnation of racist Israel in exchange for omitting any inconvenient reference to financial compensation for slavery (and adding a minor sop to the existence of the Holocaust and anti-Semitism). No matter that murdering Jews in Israel in the here and now - justified as an alleged struggle against racism - is a modern form of anti-Semitism.

Not only will Obama be buffeted by EU members attempting to save themselves and their pocketbooks, the developing world will be overjoyed at the prospect of debilitating Gulliver. The fact that he is prepared to lie down of his own volition and hand them the strings, just makes the occasion merrier. Obama will also come to know the overarching theme of all U.N. meetings, namely, that saving the credibility of the institution itself is the number one priority. This means that having mounted a global conference, any outcome or deal is better than nothing. Such a mindset leaves the extremists in the driver's seat. They will eat multilateralists-in-need-of-a-warm-group-hug for breakfast.

True, State department officials are masters at claiming victory with a straight face regardless of the drivel they draft. The 250-paragraph draft of the Durban II "outcome document" now before Obama, includes provisions which: say Israel's right of return (Jewish self-determination) is racist, accuse Israel of apartheid and crimes against humanity, seek major curbs on freedom of expression, invent global Islamophobia, and allege anti-terrorism tactics are a racist plot. The anti-democratic forces have thrown in the kitchen sink, knowing full well that Westerners will feign a win if even half of it is removed - though the reality will be a giant step backwards for rights and freedoms.

In truth, this Obama trip to the U.N. represents an abandonment of Israel. All his campaign promises to the contrary, sacrificing Israel for the sake of currying favor with others - demagogues included - is clearly at the top of the new president's agenda. Israel asked Obama not to attend. Canada also pulled out of Durban II and expected American support. Instead, today's American foreign policy leaves America's closest ally and its biggest trading partner out in the cold.

The speed at which President Obama is selling off American assets is breathtaking. The speed at which he is selling them out is even faster.


(From the Eye on the UN watch group)
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i do not like the UN, but i HATE israel. kind of a catch-22 for me.
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I don't necessarily "like" Israel either, but I absolutely HATE hardline radical Muslim fundamentalists, and the countries that support them too.
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I guess my point is that if Israel doesn't get backed by the US or Europe (yeah right) and they feel all alone in their defense of their right to exist, Israel and its qualities that you despise would only get worse. Persecution of Palestinians and bombing raids into Lebanon and Syria, etc would only increase so they could "protect themselves against aggression" because they have no one to turn to and cannot except failure. Failure to Israel is to lose their country and right to exist.
I guarantee they will not let that happen, or begin to. Look at all their past actions, and how the US has had to intervene to contain them and reel them back in from getting too aggressive and starting WWIII.
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I guess my point is that if Israel doesn't get backed by the US or Europe (yeah right) and they feel all alone in their defense of their right to exist, Israel and its qualities that you despise would only get worse. Persecution of Palestinians and bombing raids into Lebanon and Syria, etc would only increase so they could "protect themselves against aggression" because they have no one to turn to and cannot except failure. Failure to Israel is to lose their country and right to exist.
I guarantee they will not let that happen, or begin to. Look at all their past actions, and how the US has had to intervene to contain them and reel them back in from getting too aggressive and starting WWIII.
why are we involved with either side? israel can more than handle itself and without big brother USA tilting the fight, might actually be forced to negotiate in GOOD faith. for crying out loud, they have in excess of 200 nuclear weapons (who knows for sure because they illegally developed their arsenal and wont submit to the NPT that is so often sited in the international community. hell, even iran complies with the NPT.) the entire arab world HAS 0.
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Like I said, we have to intervene or Israel will start a war based on trying to "increase its security" basically, which will then evolve into Israel vs. Syria, Jordan, Egypt possibly, and worst case Iran. We cannot let that happen, well, we could if we didn't care so much about oil. This would spiral out of control possibly into a regional war or worse.
Israel has had to be restrained many times in the past by US. (ending the 6 day war, not getting involved in Desert Storm when Iraq shot missiles at them, ending the war last summer w/ Lebanon, just to name a few) We have to assure them we have their back or they will do exactly what you state, which would be terrible. Also, as the "big brother" we flex our muscle to them and use diplomacy to influence them into NOT doing such things.
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Like I said, we have to intervene or Israel will start a war based on trying to "increase its security" basically, which will then evolve into Israel vs. Syria, Jordan, Egypt possibly, and worst case Iran. We cannot let that happen, well, we could if we didn't care so much about oil. This would spiral out of control possibly into a regional war or worse.
Israel has had to be restrained many times in the past by US. (ending the 6 day war, not getting involved in Desert Storm when Iraq shot missiles at them, ending the war last summer w/ Lebanon, just to name a few) We have to assure them we have their back or they will do exactly what you state, which would be terrible. Also, as the "big brother" we flex our muscle to them and use diplomacy to influence them into NOT doing such things.
nothing could be farther from the truth. they start these "minor" excursions BECAUSE of american backing. they have our weaponry, our support, and our VETO power. we EMPOWER them to act as they do. WE ARE big brother. they know they can push the envelope to a point because america will allow them to. then after 2-3 weeks of genocide, we step in, say enough is enough and they shrink back home under the auspices of american intervention. if we cut them loose, theyd never engage in this type of behavior to START with. NO WAY they attempt to conquor the middle east without american backing.
look at iran. america balked (with good reason) and despite the rhetoric from tel aviv, nothing with happen WITHOUT our support. they are the masters at using us.
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They bombed the Osirak reactor with our backing? I don't think so.
They started the 6-day war with our backing? I don't think so.
They started the war with Lebanon with our backing? I don't think so.

Sure, they have our weapons, and our backing. I do believe that in most part Israel acts based on attempts in the past to destroy it. Sure, they take it WAAAAY to far most of the time, but if your country was constantly shelled, rocketed and car-bombed and suicide bombed and threatened to annihilation, how would you react? You would arm yourself with the best hardware available (ours) and play hardball. Diplomacy w/ Hezbollah and Hamas just doesn't work, especially when they are backed by Syria and Iran. So, whats wrong with the US backing Israel? Hezbollah and Hamas have their backing, and unethical if you ask me since its not at the state level. Iran and Syria would never back it at state level or admit to it, as they know they would have to face the wrath if Israel. Only we could stop Israel from doing such.

I don't think Israel would try to "conquer" the Middle East, with or w/o our support. However, they sure would attempt to neuter their adversaries to the highest extent possible using surgical strikes or whatever they have at their disposal if they feel threatened.
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They bombed the Osirak reactor with our backing? I don't think so.
They started the 6-day war with our backing? I don't think so.
They started the war with Lebanon with our backing? I don't think so.- boilerupat

unfortunately yes. weve backed them since their inception. nothings changed. and all the while, they attacked the USS liberty to draw us into the '67 war. just about the time i think you incorporate solid libertarian values, you go off like the MSM.

ive addressed these issues until even IM TIRED of it. sorry man, i just cant keep doing everybodys research when nobody pays attention.
on an aside, did you ever recheck the "bailout crucial" thread? i posted the url for aaron russo's "freedom to fascism" on it. its the best 2 hours youll ever spend watching something. (and it never mentions israel.)
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look at the quotes in my sig...I DIDNT MAKE THEM UP... they're there because attention needs to be brought to this subject.
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I guess my point is that if Israel doesn't get backed by the US or Europe (yeah right) and they feel all alone in their defense of their right to exist, Israel and its qualities that you despise would only get worse. Persecution of Palestinians and bombing raids into Lebanon and Syria, etc would only increase so they could "protect themselves against aggression" because they have no one to turn to and cannot except failure. Failure to Israel is to lose their country and right to exist.
I guarantee they will not let that happen, or begin to. Look at all their past actions, and how the US has had to intervene to contain them and reel them back in from getting too aggressive and starting WWIII.
why are we involved with either side? israel can more than handle itself and without big brother USA tilting the fight, might actually be forced to negotiate in GOOD faith. for crying out loud, they have in excess of 200 nuclear weapons (who knows for sure because they illegally developed their arsenal and wont submit to the NPT that is so often sited in the international community. hell, even iran complies with the NPT.) the entire arab world HAS 0.
Trouble the Arab world might have zero but Iran is persian not Arab and India is not Arab but Muslim and they have nukes and Pakistan is muslim and they have nukes.

Iran supports the Palestidiots.
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Don't get me wrong, I am not agreeing with any of this. I don't necessarily support our involvement w/ Israel at all. I know we have backed them since 1947. However, I don't think they came and asked us our permission before doing any of this. Who knows, maybe they did.

As a conservative first, Libertarian second, I think we shouldn't mettle in any of it to be honest. Unless any of it is a DIRECT threat to the sovereignty of the USA then its not our place to do so. Just because my interpretation of how things have played out may slightly differ from yours doesn't change the way I feel that this country should be ran.

Its our governments fault we care so much about peace in the Middle East. Crooked politicians and short-sighted government policies have kept us dependent on foreign oil, therefore we have an interest there. I don't think we have been backing Israel for moral values as some would like to believe.
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look at the quotes in my sig...I DIDNT MAKE THEM UP... they're there because attention needs to be brought to this subject.
I don't have sigs turned on, but I will take a look.
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I guess my point is that if Israel doesn't get backed by the US or Europe (yeah right) and they feel all alone in their defense of their right to exist, Israel and its qualities that you despise would only get worse. Persecution of Palestinians and bombing raids into Lebanon and Syria, etc would only increase so they could "protect themselves against aggression" because they have no one to turn to and cannot except failure. Failure to Israel is to lose their country and right to exist.
I guarantee they will not let that happen, or begin to. Look at all their past actions, and how the US has had to intervene to contain them and reel them back in from getting too aggressive and starting WWIII.
why are we involved with either side? israel can more than handle itself and without big brother USA tilting the fight, might actually be forced to negotiate in GOOD faith. for crying out loud, they have in excess of 200 nuclear weapons (who knows for sure because they illegally developed their arsenal and wont submit to the NPT that is so often sited in the international community. hell, even iran complies with the NPT.) the entire arab world HAS 0.
Trouble the Arab world might have zero but Iran is persian not Arab and India is not Arab but Muslim and they have nukes and Pakistan is muslim and they have nukes.

Iran supports the Palestidiots.
GODDAMNIT, BG. to quote your buddy FDR, although in a different light, "THE ONLY THING WE HAVE TO FEAR; IS FEAR ITSELF." we have done nothing but promote fear since 9/11. look at me. look me in the eyes.
ISRAEL IS NOT AMERICA. THEIR ENEMIES AND CONCERNS ARE NOT OURS. you were a serviceman. i served. I took an oath to AMERICA. you only THOUGHT you did. although looking back in retrospect, i did (inadvertently) pledge my services to israel's whim as well. to that i say, thank God for ronald reagon. for all his shortcomings; he never put me in a position of fighting israel's battles.
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"Trouble the Arab world might have zero but Iran is persian not Arab and India is not Arab but Muslim"-BG... and europe is anti-semite but not arab, and russia is aetheist, but not arab, and china is communist, but not arab.....(liberties mine.)

im so FUCKING SICK OF THIS MENTALITY. WE DONT OWE THEM A FUCKING DIME. IF IT WASNT FOR US THEY WOULD HAVE LONG BEEN PUSHED INTO THE SEA. WHAT THE FUCK DO WE OWE THEM?????????

they owe US. and they have a funny way of NOT EVER repaying that debt. all they do is continue to drag us into their battles. IM SICK OF IT.
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