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| Evilempire | Mar 7 2009, 05:17 PM Post #1 |
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I've been searching through threads to find it, but I can't. I made a statement within the last week that I was watching the IU/MSU game from Knight's final season. I believe I said that either of those teams would crush the BT this year. Some Purdue moron decides to bring up the Pepperdine tourney game and make the blanket statement that how could IU win the BT this year and get ripped by Pepperdine in the tourney. Maybe I just blocked it out mentally because it was another first round loss for Knight, but I decided to look up the recap of the game to refresh my memory on what really happened. So to whichever Purdue moron it was, why don't you go ahead and read what happened instead of making a blind judgment from a final score. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/college/men/recaps/2000/03/17/iai_pah/ |
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| boilergrad01 | Mar 7 2009, 05:25 PM Post #2 |
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OK you lost by 20 to an 11 seed. That proves that the Big ten is down this year???? Thanks for the input. IU also lost to Illini in the 4/5 game of the BTT that year. Purdue was the 3 seed in the BTT. The Big Ten had three teams in the elite 8 in 2000. None of them was named IU. MSU won the national title that year. They lost at IU at Purdue and at Wright Stae and to UNC. I am missing your point. Edited by boilergrad01, Mar 7 2009, 05:45 PM.
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| boilerup86 | Mar 7 2009, 05:42 PM Post #3 |
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Yes what is your point? Is it that IU got stomped by an inferior opponent? or That IU got beat because Haston went out with an injury? If it is the latter, that sounds an awful lot like an excuse. We got no love when Hummel was out injured nor when Johnson was sidelines most of the Michigan (irregardless of BV's "interesting" argument). Truly good teams find a way to win right? What are you trying to prove by this article? All this shows is that a decently talented IU team can get blitzed by an inferior opponent. Just like decently talented teams this year (yes, this includes Purdue) have been blitzed by seemingly inferior opponents. Irregardless, if CBB is down or not this year, you seem to be stuck in the past. Knight is gone. Hell, for that matter Sampson is gone and IU's future looks bright and you still want to live in the past of "when basketball was really basketball because there was real talent" or whatever your argument is. Is it that big of deal to you? Can't you just enjoy the game for the sake of enjoying the game? |
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| brumdog44 | Mar 7 2009, 05:59 PM Post #4 |
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I'm not sure what your point is, Evil. I remember the game and we flat out got outplayed. |
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| Evilempire | Mar 7 2009, 06:19 PM Post #5 |
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Yes, IU got outplayed. Haston got hurt early in the game. Guyton, an all BT player, was held to 2 shot attempts. The Boiler in question blindly looked at the score saying IU must not have been that good because they lost by 20, instead of realizing that a very significant injury occurred early on. Purdue is in a different situation because they have had the opportunity to experience playing without Hummel. I never said that Hummel not playing or a Purdue player being in foul trouble had no impact on the game. I said that if Johnson was more concerned with not fouling out than giving up points, Painter should have taken him out. I also laugh at the notion that Purdue has the 5th best defense in college basketball. If that is indeed the case, college basketball defenses are far worse than I originally thought. |
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| boilergrad01 | Mar 7 2009, 06:24 PM Post #6 |
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Evil, IU is down and the 2000 IU team is better than the 2008 team. The Big Ten has 9 teams with a chance of making the dance. Will all 9 get in no. The conference is strong with the potential for 9 teams to finish 500 or better. |
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| Evilempire | Mar 7 2009, 06:33 PM Post #7 |
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A team that makes the tourney in 09 is not necessarily better than a team left out in 2000 or any other year. That's like saying the #1 team in the country is equal to any other #1 team from any other year. The quality of basketball is down. The talent is wayyyyyy down. An IU team of freshmen mid major talent is hanging with almost every team in the BT(even if they ultimately lose the games), including nearly knocking off MSU, MICH, MINN, PSU, and other 'tourney quality teams'. I've been watching/playing basketball for a long time, and there is no way the BT has a bunch of strong teams. Just remember, any stats you use this year are stats accumulated against a bunch of other mediocre teams. If you can't see how mediocre most of the teams in the country are this year, there is no point in arguing with me. There is nothing you can say that will convince me otherwise. In fact, why don't you go ahead and do a mock draft of the top 20 picks or so and to make it easier we can pretend that every college player is going pro. Take that list and stack it up against just about any other list from the past 15 years. |
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| brumdog44 | Mar 7 2009, 06:40 PM Post #8 |
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And the IU team was 1-17 in conference. Sounds to me what a mediocre mid-major team would do in the Big Ten...hang in a few games until the end, beat one of the worst teams in the conference at home, and lose by double digits a majority of the time. |
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| BoilerBasketball2008 | Mar 7 2009, 06:50 PM Post #9 |
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Just let Evil live in the good old days.......who really cares? If being the worst team in a league that is down, in a year where men's bball is down makes him happy, who gives a fuck? His whole generation has the mentality that he's older therefore wiser. If anyone thinks that the overall talent of players has gone down over the last 20 years, they are out of their fucking minds. The number of quality players is up, therefore there are more good teams and less dominant teams. That's like saying the overall talent at the RB position in football has gone down, because no one is as dominant as Jim Brown. Jim Brown was a huge black guy plowing through small white guys, and would be more or less an average player in today's game. Edited by BoilerBasketball2008, Mar 7 2009, 06:57 PM.
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| Bobobinc | Mar 7 2009, 07:16 PM Post #10 |
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End of story. If you would stop bringing this shit up every other day and shut the fuck up about it you would have no arguments. You give Vision shit about being wrong and tell him to let it die. Take your own advice. |
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| brumdog44 | Mar 7 2009, 07:57 PM Post #11 |
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In 1999-2000, Northwestern basketball was as bad as any team that the Big Ten has ever seen. They didn't win a league game and went 5-24 overall. They came off one of their only NIT appearances and basically lost everyone of importance. Know what they did do that year? They lost to Pepperdine at the buzzer by one point after a Pepperdine steal and three point shot. That is the same team that drubbed IU in the tourney. IU's backups probably could have beaten Northwestern. Point is, upsets and near upsets happen all the time. Evil's logic is circular -- if two teams play, they are both mediocre. The losing is mediocre because they lost, while the winning team is mediocre because all they did was beat a mediocre team. |
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| dreachon | Mar 7 2009, 08:15 PM Post #12 |
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What a waste of time |
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| boilerup86 | Mar 7 2009, 08:23 PM Post #13 |
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Seconded |
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| BoilerVision | Mar 7 2009, 08:58 PM Post #14 |
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Wow. I'd like to retort to the original post, but I would feel like I'm kicking a crippled child... |
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| dreachon | Mar 7 2009, 09:02 PM Post #15 |
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This has to be the longets running discussion on the board. Spread through multiple threads over the course of an immense amount of time. If you guys ever want to complete this discussion you need to first agree on how to quantify the quality of college basketball. Examples: Viewership? Attendance? Average scoring? FG%? Records? Quality of the top 10 teams? Quality of the best teams in each conference? The point here is that I can think college basketball is UP because the increased parity makes more competetive and exciting games. Evil can think college basketball is DOWN because the increased parity means the best teams in the nation aren't as good as they used to be. If we both agree that there is increased parity in college basketball, then both of our arguments are correct. So before you argue the quality of college basketball as whole, try and figure out HOW you are going to measure the quality of college basketball in the first place. Edited by dreachon, Mar 7 2009, 09:04 PM.
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