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Audit the Fed
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brumdog44 May 14 2009, 04:43 PM Post #31
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And even if it is a good bill, there's no chance a Pelosi controlled house will allow it to get through. So there's my "problem."
Lars, Purdue has no chance of winning a basketball championship....do you propose that they just abolish the program?
First of all, Aaron, college bball isn't about winning NC's, it's about playing to the best of your ability and putting yourself in a position to win games and titles. Look at Duke and all of the tremendous talent they've had the last 15 years, and how many times they've been bounced early. Coach K is arguably the best active coach, but there is a great deal of parity in college bball, and winning it all normally takes a certain amount of luck.

I understand that IU basketball has gone through some tough times, and it's natural for its fans to hold winning a NC over the heads of Purdue fans. But most Purdue fans enjoy college bball and follow the team through thick and thin, and there's very little pressure to win it all.
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JK. It might be one of the few times we agree.
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And even if it is a good bill, there's no chance a Pelosi controlled house will allow it to get through. So there's my "problem."
Lars, Purdue has no chance of winning a basketball championship....do you propose that they just abolish the program?
First of all, Aaron, college bball isn't about winning NC's, it's about playing to the best of your ability and putting yourself in a position to win games and titles. Look at Duke and all of the tremendous talent they've had the last 15 years, and how many times they've been bounced early. Coach K is arguably the best active coach, but there is a great deal of parity in college bball, and winning it all normally takes a certain amount of luck.

I understand that IU basketball has gone through some tough times, and it's natural for its fans to hold winning a NC over the heads of Purdue fans. But most Purdue fans enjoy college bball and follow the team through thick and thin, and there's very little pressure to win it all.
What a loser you are.


JK. It might be one of the few times we agree.
Give me 10 min with you and a water-boarding setup, and I think you would see things my way more of the time.
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Just to give you guys an update, this has stalled a bit on the Senate floor.I know you are as surprised as i am.
Anway, here are the details for C4L
Earlier today, the first shot in our battle to pass Audit the Fed through the U.S. Senate was fired on the Senate floor by Senator Jim DeMint of South Carolina.

Senator DeMint, who has a well-deserved reputation for taking the battle to the other side in the Senate, once again proved why he is such a valuable ally in our fight to bring transparency and accountability to the Federal Reserve.

A little while ago, the Senate voted to pass HR 2918, the Legislative Branch Appropriations Act. This $3 billion bill contains, among many other things, provisions for GAO audits on certain agencies.

Seizing on a chance to take quick action to bring Audit the Fed up for a vote, and with the GAO provisions in mind, Senator DeMint attached the full text of S 604, the Senate version of Ron Paul's Audit the Fed bill, to HR 2918 as Senate Amendment 1367 before it was considered for final passage.

However, Senate Democrats refused to even allow a vote on the amendment! That's right. The internationalist, Fed-loving elite in the Senate used a parliamentary tactic to shut down DeMint's amendment.

After Senator DeMint brought Audit the Fed to the floor, Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska raised a "point of order" to prevent a vote, claiming that the amendment violated Senate Rule 16 by "legislating" on an appropriations bill. The Senate president agreed, and the amendment was shot down.

Senator DeMint did not back down, though, and directly challenged Senate leadership by pointing out the other GAO audits contained in the bill. As Senator DeMint listed them off, the Senate president was forced to agree with Senator DeMint that each one he described, all of which would be left in for final passage, also violated Senate Rule 16.

Which tells us at least one thing: the problem wasn't with "legislating" on the bill or violating Senate Rules (which is commonly done). Shooting down the amendment was about preventing a thorough audit of the Federal Reserve for the first time in its history!

Senate leadership is hoping this issue will just fade away so they can get on to what they deem to be more "important" business, like dictating what kind of healthcare plan you and I can carry or passing destructive Cap-and-Tax legislation.

But the American people deserve answers on what the Fed has done with trillions of our tax dollars and what they are committing us and future generations to as part of their secret deals with foreign central banks and governments.

The leadership decided today to turn their backs on transparency, but our fight is just beginning.

As Senator DeMint made clear on the floor, the Audit the Fed bill has wide bipartisan support. He rightly warned the Senate that even if they delay today, they WILL have to deal with the issue on the floor.

It is up to you and me to back up Senator DeMint's words by making sure the momentum continues to build and the bill comes up for a final vote.

The rejection of the Audit amendment is just the first battle in our war. Now is the time to really put the pressure on the U.S. Senate to Audit the Fed!

Senator DeMint fired the opening salvo and showcased the hypocrisy of the Senate for allowing other GAO audits to be included in the bill while refusing to even allow a vote on Fed transparency.

Again, we're just getting started. Senator DeMint will keep fighting to pass Audit the Fed on its own or as an amendment, and we need to continue putting pressure on our senators to do everything in their power to achieve a floor vote!
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Again, we're just getting started. Senator DeMint will keep fighting to pass Audit the Fed on its own or as an amendment, and we need to continue putting pressure on our senators to do everything in their power to achieve a floor vote!


How about stop voting for losertarian candidates with zero chance of winning, and effectively handing control of Congress to the big spending liberals.
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Again, we're just getting started. Senator DeMint will keep fighting to pass Audit the Fed on its own or as an amendment, and we need to continue putting pressure on our senators to do everything in their power to achieve a floor vote!


How about stop voting for losertarian candidates with zero chance of winning, and effectively handing control of Congress to the big spending liberals.
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You sir are an idiot.
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At least I'm acting.
As opposed to who that isn't?
Ummmm... nobody in particular. :D Sorry for the third grade response.

This petition makes as much sense as some left wing group pushing a petition to ban guns when Dems are in the minority. It's wasted effort that makes a few of the faithful feel good (see Phil's post above)

If you don't have the political clout to get things done, you're no more significant than a fart in the wind. Voting for 3rd party losers like Barr is more like pissing into the wind, because you're only hurting yourself.
Lars,

The audit the Fed Bill has more co-sponsors than votes needed to pass. If Speaker Pelosi always it to come to a vote it will pass.

it is a non binding bill. The Fed gets audited. That will in no way change the way Washington works. I sighned the petetion back in May i think. I am not sure how it fixes anything but hey let the (Liberty Caucus) Neo Hippies have a win
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That will in no way change the way Washington works. I sighned the petetion back in May i think. I am not sure how it fixes anything but hey let the (Liberty Caucus) Neo Hippies have a win
First, Ron Paul is in no way associated with the Liberty Caucus. Second, you are right, it is non-binding, and will probably not do much if anything to change the way Washington works. It is however a start to greater transparency.
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Again, we're just getting started. Senator DeMint will keep fighting to pass Audit the Fed on its own or as an amendment, and we need to continue putting pressure on our senators to do everything in their power to achieve a floor vote!


How about stop voting for losertarian candidates with zero chance of winning, and effectively handing control of Congress to the big spending liberals.
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You sir are an idiot.
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That will in no way change the way Washington works. I sighned the petetion back in May i think. I am not sure how it fixes anything but hey let the (Liberty Caucus) Neo Hippies have a win
First, Ron Paul is in no way associated with the Liberty Caucus. Second, you are right, it is non-binding, and will probably not do much if anything to change the way Washington works. It is however a start to greater transparency.
Hog,

The Republican liberty caucus is where the Ron Paul followers have gathered. I deal with them at least 3 times a week. We even agree on a few things. Most are intelligent and only a few are disrespectful like Old School. Trouble and Old School have probably distorted the view for some on the board of what a true Paulite or Liberty Caucus member really feels or how they communicate.
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That will in no way change the way Washington works. I sighned the petetion back in May i think. I am not sure how it fixes anything but hey let the (Liberty Caucus) Neo Hippies have a win
First, Ron Paul is in no way associated with the Liberty Caucus. Second, you are right, it is non-binding, and will probably not do much if anything to change the way Washington works. It is however a start to greater transparency.
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Everyone is too consumed by Michael Jackson's death to care about run-away government spending.
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Again, we're just getting started. Senator DeMint will keep fighting to pass Audit the Fed on its own or as an amendment, and we need to continue putting pressure on our senators to do everything in their power to achieve a floor vote!


How about stop voting for losertarian candidates with zero chance of winning, and effectively handing control of Congress to the big spending liberals.
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You sir are an idiot.
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Show me where voting for 3rd party candidates has 1.) anything to do with with the audit the fed bill 2.) had any real affect on the election of either the candidate or any member of congress and i will take it back.
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Again, we're just getting started. Senator DeMint will keep fighting to pass Audit the Fed on its own or as an amendment, and we need to continue putting pressure on our senators to do everything in their power to achieve a floor vote!


How about stop voting for losertarian candidates with zero chance of winning, and effectively handing control of Congress to the big spending liberals.
:banghead:
You sir are an idiot.
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Show me where voting for 3rd party candidates has 1.) anything to do with with the audit the fed bill 2.) had any real affect on the election of either the candidate or any member of congress and i will take it back.
Ross Perot 1992 affected the re-election bid of George HW Bush.

Some say Ross also hurt Bob Dole in 1996

Some say Pat Buchanan hurt Al Gore in Florida and others complain Ralph Nader is responsible for the Gore defeat


That is three cases HOG

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The Republican liberty caucus is where the Ron Paul followers have gathered. I deal with them at least 3 times a week. We even agree on a few things. Most are intelligent and only a few are disrespectful like Old School. Trouble and Old School have probably distorted the view for some on the board of what a true Paulite or Liberty Caucus member really feels or how they communicate.
There may be followers there, but i know that a few months back, someone withing the Liberty Caucus was using Ron Paul's name, and he came out with a statement that basically said that though they may agree on some things, that he was in no way affiliated with the Liberty Caucus.
Not really a big deal, just a point of correction. And for the record, i am in agreement with a lot of the things that the Liberty Caucus stands for.
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Ross Perot 1992 affected the re-election bid of George HW Bush.

Some say Ross also hurt Bob Dole in 1996

Some say Pat Buchanan hurt Al Gore in Florida and others complain Ralph Nader is responsible for the Gore defeat


That is three cases HOG

The first one i will give you. The last two, i don't think there is enough empirical evidence to prove it one way or the other.

Really though, i guess i should have been more specific. I was referring to the situation right now, in which we have a liberal president and a Dem. majority in Congress. I am pretty sure that is what Lars is talking about when he mentions some of us voting for "Losertarian" candidates. In that case, you could have given McCAin every single 3rd party vote and he still would not have one the election, the eletoral count might not even have changed. As far as congress is concerned, i would have to go back and look at the numbers to be certain, but i am about 98% sure that there was no 3rd party candidate that had any real affect on any of the house or senate races either. Lars however making his statements about voting for 3rd party candidates without doing the research think that maybe if he says it enough, people will start to agree with him.
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Hog,

I am looking up the numbers but i would say Minnesota is a classic example. Al Fucking Franken beating Norm Coleman by a very slim margin. Al Franken won by 215 votes. I am having a little trouble finding out the 3rd party votes but i assume they had more than 215 and thus elected Al Fucking Franken
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