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Audit the Fed
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hoosierinhogville Jul 7 2009, 02:27 PM Post #61
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Again, we're just getting started. Senator DeMint will keep fighting to pass Audit the Fed on its own or as an amendment, and we need to continue putting pressure on our senators to do everything in their power to achieve a floor vote!


How about stop voting for losertarian candidates with zero chance of winning, and effectively handing control of Congress to the big spending liberals.
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You sir are an idiot.
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Show me where voting for 3rd party candidates has 1.) anything to do with with the audit the fed bill 2.) had any real affect on the election of either the candidate or any member of congress and i will take it back.
Hog here was your original question I have shown that. Stop changing your original question when proven wrong.
I'm patiently waiting for Hog to take it back. ^o)
As i have not been proven wrong by either you or BG, i feel no need to.
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Hog,

Ron Paul is basically a 3rd party Guy. He never endorsed the republican ticket. He wrote the audit the Fed Bill that in the house received co-sponsorship from almost every republican. Looks like main stream Republicans support him more than he supports them. I provided a link showing Jesse supported Ron Paul and the third party guy supported Jesse. Even if they spilt nearly even Al Franken won by a couple hundred votes so a 8% 7% split of that vote and Coleman wins because 1% of 450,000 votes is 4,500 so .25 % advantage to Norm and he would have won
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http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/states/minnesota.html

Hog the Loosertarian also got enough votes to cost Norm the race
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Ok Hog keep voting for guys that have no chance at winning and get upset when crazy shit gets passed.

I wasn't the only one that voted for someone that had no chance of winning.
That being said, i would have no problem voting for a candidate from a major party if i agreed with their principles and ideals. As i have said before, I am not a Paulite, or a classical liberal, or an Austurian economics guy. I am a conservative that would rather vote my conscious than sell out and vote for "the lesser of two evils." As i said in my thread about Gov. Sanford, at first glance, i liked him, and could have supported him in the future. He is a republican. There are other more mainstream Republicans i could support. None of them were running for election this past year.
You keep on whining about 3rd party candidates stealing votes from your guys though. Maybe eventually you will understand that is your guys fault that people are voting for 3rd party candidates. And instead of blaming them, maybe Republicans will actually start getting back to the core values that they have abandoned in favor of social conservatism, centralized power, and globalism.
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http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/states/minnesota.html

Hog the Loosertarian also got enough votes to cost Norm the race
He also got enough votes to cost Franken the race too. You keep ignoring the exit poll results that Brum talked about.
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Hog,

Ron Paul is basically a 3rd party Guy. He never endorsed the republican ticket. He wrote the audit the Fed Bill that in the house received co-sponsorship from almost every republican. Looks like main stream Republicans support him more than he supports them. I provided a link showing Jesse supported Ron Paul and the third party guy supported Jesse. Even if they spilt nearly even Al Franken won by a couple hundred votes so a 8% 7% split of that vote and Coleman wins because 1% of 450,000 votes is 4,500 so .25 % advantage to Norm and he would have won
What does Ron Paul have to do with anything. You are right, he didn't endorese the Repub candidate. So what. I didn't vote for the guy that he did endorse. He also didn't get a single electoral vote, and as such had no affect on the Presidential race.
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That will in no way change the way Washington works. I sighned the petetion back in May i think. I am not sure how it fixes anything but hey let the (Liberty Caucus) Neo Hippies have a win
First, Ron Paul is in no way associated with the Liberty Caucus. Second, you are right, it is non-binding, and will probably not do much if anything to change the way Washington works. It is however a start to greater transparency.
Hog,

The Republican liberty caucus is where the Ron Paul followers have gathered. I deal with them at least 3 times a week. We even agree on a few things. Most are intelligent and only a few are disrespectful like Old School. Trouble and Old School have probably distorted the view for some on the board of what a true Paulite or Liberty Caucus member really feels or how they communicate.
haha. thats probably because im not a "paulite" or a "liberty caucus member." im just a concerned citizen with no political affiliations WHATSOEVER. im not here to push the views of any organization.
there has been a push towards socialism/communism in this country since the end of WWII. mcaurther knew of it and was relieved of command. sen. mccarthy knew of it and was publicly censured. patton knew of it and died in a mysterious automobile accident. james forrestal knew of it and committed suicide while a patient at bethesda naval hospital.
it would seem that all the patriots who tried to stand up to it have met an untimely demise in one matter or another. i could give you dozens of other names where the same shit has happened. after awhile the term "coincidence" just doesnt seem to fit anymore.

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From polltrack.com:

Headline: Is Barkley Killing Franken In Minnesota?

A new poll of "likely votes" in Minnesota released yesterday by Mason-Dixon reports incumbent Republican Norm Coleman leading his opponent, Democrat Al Franken by six points, 42-36, with 12% of respondents favoring Independence Party candidate Dean Barkley. The state is not new to third party candidacies, electing independent Jessie Ventura governor a few cycles back. "If Coleman puts daylight between Franken’s numbers and his own on Election Day, he may have Barkley to thank," writes Mason-Dixon, "While he has shored up 89% of voters who identify as Republicans, with only 4% defecting to Barkley’s camp, only about three out of four Democrats say that they support their party nominee, with 17% of Democratic voters favoring the Independence Party candidate over Franken."

Minnesota is a strange political beast. About 27% of the state are registered independents, so Barkley getting 15% of the vote could largely be him simply getting voters that weren't going to vote for either major party.
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From polltrack.com:

Headline: Is Barkley Killing Franken In Minnesota?

A new poll of "likely votes" in Minnesota released yesterday by Mason-Dixon reports incumbent Republican Norm Coleman leading his opponent, Democrat Al Franken by six points, 42-36, with 12% of respondents favoring Independence Party candidate Dean Barkley. The state is not new to third party candidacies, electing independent Jessie Ventura governor a few cycles back. "If Coleman puts daylight between Franken’s numbers and his own on Election Day, he may have Barkley to thank," writes Mason-Dixon, "While he has shored up 89% of voters who identify as Republicans, with only 4% defecting to Barkley’s camp, only about three out of four Democrats say that they support their party nominee, with 17% of Democratic voters favoring the Independence Party candidate over Franken."

Minnesota is a strange political beast. About 27% of the state are registered independents, so Barkley getting 15% of the vote could largely be him simply getting voters that weren't going to vote for either major party.
Man you sure proved me wrong. :sarcasm:

Edit* i am sure you know this already Brum, but that wasn't directed at you.
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So, what Lars and BG are saying is that Ron Paul ruined the party for McCain.

I am sorry but I do not buy it. The GOP screwed the pooch long before Ron Paul started campaigning in the Primary. You can place the blame for the current makeup of congress squarely on the shoulders of GOP sellouts. Al Franken winning in not the fault of Libertarians. I think it would be Coleman's fault for not earning a few more votes. How bad of a candidate do you have to be to lose to Al Franken? Conservatives ignoring the middle cost the GOP. Neo_cons spending like drunken sailors on leave cost the GOP. The GOP seems to listen to the social conservative side of the party exclusively and the country is middle, with a slight lean to the right. Neo Cons just want to scream and shout about abortion and gay marriage and religion and the rest of the middle of the road republicans get outcast by their own party. (Look at what happened to Powell by the ex vice president). The party is split into three camps completely, and I am not sure if it can be repaired. Libertarians, Social Conservatives, and the republican middle. The GOP cannot afford to ignore the Libertarians, and will do so at their own peril. Someone is going to have to pay off the debt brought on by W. and Obama.
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That will in no way change the way Washington works. I sighned the petetion back in May i think. I am not sure how it fixes anything but hey let the (Liberty Caucus) Neo Hippies have a win
First, Ron Paul is in no way associated with the Liberty Caucus. Second, you are right, it is non-binding, and will probably not do much if anything to change the way Washington works. It is however a start to greater transparency.
Hog,

The Republican liberty caucus is where the Ron Paul followers have gathered. I deal with them at least 3 times a week. We even agree on a few things. Most are intelligent and only a few are disrespectful like Old School. Trouble and Old School have probably distorted the view for some on the board of what a true Paulite or Liberty Caucus member really feels or how they communicate.
haha. thats probably because im not a "paulite" or a "liberty caucus member." im just a concerned citizen with no political affiliations WHATSOEVER. im not here to push the views of any organization.
there has been a push towards socialism/communism in this country since the end of WWII. mcaurther knew of it and was relieved of command. sen. mccarthy knew of it and was publicly censured. patton knew of it and died in a mysterious automobile accident. james forrestal knew of it and committed suicide while a patient at bethesda naval hospital.
it would seem that all the patriots who tried to stand up to it have met an untimely demise in one matter or another. i could give you dozens of other names where the same shit has happened. after awhile the term "coincidence" just doesnt seem to fit anymore.

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948
-i like that quote so much, its going in my sig.
great foresight in that quote........too bad 1/2 of the people on this board wont read it or will just shrug it off.
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"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948
-i like that quote so much, its going in my sig.
That's a classic. Bill Ayres wised up and realized that he couldn't get his policies adopted by bombing buildings, so he started supporting local community organizers. You've got to commend him on a good strategy.
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"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948
-i like that quote so much, its going in my sig.
That's a classic. Bill Ayres wised up and realized that he couldn't get his policies adopted by bombing buildings, so he started supporting local community organizers. You've got to commend him on a good strategy.
it wasnt his strategy. he only adopted the theology of the CFR, and the international banking elite. ayers finally realized, if you cant beat them, join them.
The most famous admission of that sort, at least among those well-known in JBS circles, was a 1974 article in the Council on Foreign Relations’ flagship publication Foreign Affairs by Richard N. Gardner, a veteran US diplomat. Having worked in the JBS Appleton headquarters for a dozen years, I recall joking with a few staffers that we had used the quote so often that our MIS Director had programmed all of our computers with an “[Alt][Shift][F7]” hotkey function so we could insert that quote into our essays with a minimum of keystrokes.

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when all is said and done, the end result will be the same.
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So, what Lars and BG are saying is that Ron Paul ruined the party for McCain.

I am sorry but I do not buy it. The GOP screwed the pooch long before Ron Paul started campaigning in the Primary. You can place the blame for the current makeup of congress squarely on the shoulders of GOP sellouts.
I agree with you on this one Eel. Had Bush been fiscally conservative followed by a fiscally conservative 2008 candidate, Paul would have been irrelevant and might not even have run for the Presidency. At a minimum, he would have endorsed a fellow conservative candidate at some point during the primary.

Regarding the Republicans problems with the House, gerrymandering is also a major factor. Conservatives seem to be basically carved out of any relevent blue vs. red race.
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John McCain generated zero enthusiasm from mainstream conservatives....he sure as heck didn't among Ron Paul followers. I think if there is one thing that Paul followers demonstrated is that they are not going to turn out in droves to simply vote for the candidate that is the 'lesser of two evils' in their opinion. More likely they vote for another third party candidate or simply don't vote at all.
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