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| dreachon | Jul 1 2009, 04:28 PM Post #46 |
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I think he was joking. Quite literally reverse discrimination would mean the opposite of discrimination |
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| IUCOLTFAN | Jul 1 2009, 04:28 PM Post #47 |
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So, if you are a firefighter and have to pass a written and oral test to be promoted from Corporal to Captain (just examples) and the test and criteria is the same for everyone, why is this a "stupid" way to promote. Wouldnt the proper and fair way to promote people be to give everyone the same "test" to see how well they know their job? The lawyer for the "minorities" was arguing that the test was unfair due to the percentage that was written compared to the percentage that was oral............if it is the same for all, how exactly is this unfair?? If reading comprehension is the problem, maybe these people should have never gotten the jobs in the first place. If this is the way promotions are and have been handed out, why is it now unfair or "stupid"? Just because no minorities were good enough at their jobs to be promoted? What if all the minorties passed and all the "Honky's" failed............would it still be unfair? I guarantee there would have been no questions asked and the promotions would have been given as usual! |
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| eelbor | Jul 1 2009, 04:33 PM Post #48 |
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I would guess it is "stupid" because the test does not show someone's work ethic or their drive. I think it was meant that the idea of using a test to assign promotions that is stupid, not the results of that test. |
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| dreachon | Jul 1 2009, 04:34 PM Post #49 |
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You misunderstood. It's not stupid because minorities did poorly at it. It's stupid because there should be other factors taken into consideration. Stuff like punctuality, work ethic, leadership ability, responsibility, etc. You want to promote a firefighter who lacks these qualities simply because he knows his job and passed a test? |
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| HoosierLars | Jul 1 2009, 04:40 PM Post #50 |
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| boilergrad01 | Jul 1 2009, 04:58 PM Post #51 |
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Dreach, In the Army promotions have different requirements based on what level you are promoted too. Officers have to prepare a packet and a board evaluates the packet. I do not know the entire process for the firefighters but usually in the Military you must be selected based on job performance to compete. I am sure the Firefighters had to overcome numerous hurdles before taking the test and the final decision was based on more than the test. Passing the test is probably a requirement. |
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| IUCOLTFAN | Jul 1 2009, 09:34 PM Post #52 |
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I seriously doubt that in a profession as prideful, respected, and dangerous as fire-fighting, their way of promoting isnt the best way possible to insure the safety of all. Questioning the testing motives of a profession such as this is laughable. I would not want my life in the hands of a co-worker who was not qualified to do the job, would you? Wouldnt you think these methods have proven well for the fire-fighters over the existence of the profession? Are we really qualified to tell these people how to hand out MASSIVE NEW RESPONSIBILITIES to their employees? Just seems crazy to me to even question this. Edited by IUCOLTFAN, Jul 1 2009, 09:34 PM.
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| yawnzzz | Jul 1 2009, 09:59 PM Post #53 |
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I believe it was the first time the test was administered, and it was developed by a consulting firm, not the firefighters themselves.
The City's review board didn't certify the exams. If they did, the top scoring three applicants would be the only ones eligible for promotion at this time. The City did not certify the results because doing so could subject it to litigation for violating Title VII’s disparate impact prohibition. Personally, I hate the fact that unions require these type of exams. It basically means the Chief has little say in who he can promote. That said, if they chose to use these exams and feel they're a good gauge of someone's capability of performing a job, then I don't think they should be thrown out. Further, the main complaint was that Black applicants were hindered on the written part, and the positions of Captain and Lieutenant are generally office positions where they have to deal with written paperwork on a daily basis. |
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| Mr Gray | Jul 1 2009, 10:19 PM Post #54 |
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coltfan, unfortunately you are wrong on your assumption. My best friend if a full time fireman, and he has told me countless times that the promotion process is so extremely bureucratic that it has become a complete joke. The captains are almost never the best for the job, and based on the liability and responsibility of that job, nobody even wants it. |
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| Mr Gray | Jul 1 2009, 10:19 PM Post #55 |
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yes, I was joking. I looked up the definition of "discrimination" and tried my best to reverse it. |
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