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Chrysler-Fiat Deal Goes Through; Indiana Pension Funds Get Screwed
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thePhilosopher Jun 11 2009, 09:48 AM Post #16
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BTW --

In a mailer today, I recieved a $1000 voucher toward a new Chrysler car announcing that they had been bought by Fiat.

It was dated May 2009.

I'm not shitting you.
I'm speechless. Wow.
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So the gov't can come in and re-write contracts in a time of bankruptcy? Was the gov't really that worried that Fiat would walk away after June 15? And why is liquidation not an option?

So many questions, and this thing screams of injustice. Actually, it sounds like fascism. This administration's "socialist" tendencies don't bother me nearly as much as the Obama and Bush administrations move towards centralized power and flouting the rule of law. The more situations develop, I can't help but think "meet the new boss, same as the old boss." While Bush may have ignored the rule of law with the Patriot Act, rendition, Gitmo, etc., Obama is practicing all of Bush's legal vices as well as re-writing contracts to BENEFIT the administration's interests.

People should be out in the streets on this, but we'll keep taking it. That is, until all of this bullshit finally really effects the public and they can't pay for bread or cable TV because the currency is destroyed. Then it will be too late.

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Phil,

I agree with 80% of what you say here but what was illegal about Gitmo?????

Please no well the conflict in Afghanistan is wrong or illegal or more intervention stuff. I understand the libs made Gitmo unpopular but what is your fundemental objection??
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The objection is we didn't read terrorists their Miranda rights.............................(fucking please already)

Its either GITMO or getting chained up in some tent on the mountainside in Afghanistan and having the shit kicked out of you by a CIA operator until you speak. I think GITMO is a freaking resort when compared with the alternative.
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CBS

So the gov't can come in and re-write contracts in a time of bankruptcy? Was the gov't really that worried that Fiat would walk away after June 15? And why is liquidation not an option?

So many questions, and this thing screams of injustice. Actually, it sounds like fascism. This administration's "socialist" tendencies don't bother me nearly as much as the Obama and Bush administrations move towards centralized power and flouting the rule of law. The more situations develop, I can't help but think "meet the new boss, same as the old boss." While Bush may have ignored the rule of law with the Patriot Act, rendition, Gitmo, etc., Obama is practicing all of Bush's legal vices as well as re-writing contracts to BENEFIT the administration's interests.

People should be out in the streets on this, but we'll keep taking it. That is, until all of this bullshit finally really effects the public and they can't pay for bread or cable TV because the currency is destroyed. Then it will be too late.

/rant.
Phil,

I agree with 80% of what you say here but what was illegal about Gitmo?????

Please no well the conflict in Afghanistan is wrong or illegal or more intervention stuff. I understand the libs made Gitmo unpopular but what is your fundemental objection??
Miranda rights don't really matter if you don't have habeas corpus. My problem is that the Gitmo detainees were held indefinitely without any resemblance of due process. If these guys are so bad, why can't we have some sort of system of justice to charge these detainees? It should be shooting fish in a legal barrel, if these guys really are the worst of the worst. You can't simply take people, no matter how evil they are, without a reason. If we can put the Nazis through the Nuremberg trials, we certainly can do the same for people we caught in caves in the middle of nowhere.

The Gitmo detainees have the legal rights on the level of pre-Magna Carta serfs. That's a national shame and embarrassment.
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CBS

So the gov't can come in and re-write contracts in a time of bankruptcy? Was the gov't really that worried that Fiat would walk away after June 15? And why is liquidation not an option?

So many questions, and this thing screams of injustice. Actually, it sounds like fascism. This administration's "socialist" tendencies don't bother me nearly as much as the Obama and Bush administrations move towards centralized power and flouting the rule of law. The more situations develop, I can't help but think "meet the new boss, same as the old boss." While Bush may have ignored the rule of law with the Patriot Act, rendition, Gitmo, etc., Obama is practicing all of Bush's legal vices as well as re-writing contracts to BENEFIT the administration's interests.

People should be out in the streets on this, but we'll keep taking it. That is, until all of this bullshit finally really effects the public and they can't pay for bread or cable TV because the currency is destroyed. Then it will be too late.

/rant.
Phil,

I agree with 80% of what you say here but what was illegal about Gitmo?????

Please no well the conflict in Afghanistan is wrong or illegal or more intervention stuff. I understand the libs made Gitmo unpopular but what is your fundemental objection??
Miranda rights don't really matter if you don't have habeas corpus. My problem is that the Gitmo detainees were held indefinitely without any resemblance of due process. If these guys are so bad, why can't we have some sort of system of justice to charge these detainees? It should be shooting fish in a legal barrel, if these guys really are the worst of the worst. You can't simply take people, no matter how evil they are, without a reason. If we can put the Nazis through the Nuremberg trials, we certainly can do the same for people we caught in caves in the middle of nowhere.

The Gitmo detainees have the legal rights on the level of pre-Magna Carta serfs. That's a national shame and embarrassment.
I agree with you Phil. The US should have labeled them POW's or held military tribunals and sentenced them. I can't argue with that at all. Gitmo as in the location is not the issue but lack of a miltiary trbunal. I agree and Pres Obama has some plan that just changing locations will solve the problem. The truth is Bush and the dems played politics with them and a complete lack of leadership led to the current indefinite- detainment without a military trial.

Phil you must admit President Obama has increased the amount of issues we agree on. I support the audit of the FED. I am scared to death what it might reveal.
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"Phil you must admit President Obama has increased the amount of issues we agree on. I support the audit of the FED. I am scared to death what it might reveal."

I mean I don't really care how they do the trials. Hell, a kangaroo court would be slightly better than no court at all. At least that meant the US gov't actually cared about appearances. Has Obama helped us agree on more issues? Maybe. Maybe its because the media has had a blackout on Iraq and Afghanistan ever since Bush left office, because Obama is just giving us more of the same in both of those wars. If we were talking about the war more often, maybe we'd disagree more, I don't know. But its good to see you and most everyone else agree on a lot of these core issues.

And yes, auditing the Fed would be one of the best things to happen in recent times. We'd finally break the spell of the gangsters... I mean, bankers.
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BTW --

In a mailer today, I recieved a $1000 voucher toward a new Chrysler car announcing that they had been bought by Fiat.

It was dated May 2009.

I'm not shitting you.
I'm speechless. Wow.
I brought it up to two guys at work yesterday at lunch...and they both had recieved the same voucher.
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