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America at a Crossroads; discussion provoking piece
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Mr Gray Jun 17 2009, 11:20 AM Post #1
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http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=5550

I don't agree with everything in this piece, but it has so many points with historic references and analogies, that I just had to share it. Should lead to great discussions on here.

Here are a few quotes that I liked.

Today's liberalism is a perversion of Classical Liberalism, which stressed the essential goodness and rationality of man and his ability to recognize and solve problems, all of which led to systematic improvement in man's life, exemplified by the Enlightenment.

The corruption spread in the 1930s when Roosevelt signed into law the minimum wage, progressive taxation, Social Security and established Fannie Mae to provide low-interest mortgages. Classical Liberalism was dead. Liberalism and the welfare state became one: socialism.

By such actions as these and many, many more, conservatism and liberalism merged to become nationalist-socialism, hardly distinguishable from each other in their violations of individual rights.

Liberals claim they are not socialist. They merely want to force rich people to feed poor people. But individual rights determined by other people's wishes are not rights.

Liberals claim they do not seek to violate individual rights---except when the violation is for a cause they deem "good," such as forcing men to practice socialized medicine. But rights restricted by some people's needs are not rights.

Conservatives claim they do not seek to violate individual rights---except when the violation is for a cause they consider morally sound, such as forcing women to have children they do not want. But rights predicated on the assumption of women's inferior status to force them into unchosen actions are not rights.
I actually agree with this principle, but I believe the facts of the scenario are misleading. This assumes #1 that the unborn child doesn't have individual rights, and #2 that woman are "forced" to become pregnant.

"A right is a moral principle defining and sanctioning a man's freedom of action in a social context." [Ayn Rand, "Man's Rights"] To claim that a moral principle is at the mercy of another's wish is blasphemous. Rights do not include the "right" to violate another's rights---no matter what the need, wish, demand, or assumption.
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The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism.
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Speaking of "classic liberalism", where's OldSchool been lately?
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aaron - kudos to your posting as of late.
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aaron - kudos to your posting as of late.
thanks Brum. I have tried to focus my "anger" for government into reasonable disucssion. To be honest with you, when I saw you starting to come around to many of the Paul economic principles, it kind of gave me hope. I can deal with your social views, because as I have said before, I may not like abortion or gay marriage (etc...), but as long as you don't force me to participate or pay for it, I stomach it for the purpose of fixing the economic issues which affect us all!
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The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism.
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Speaking of "classic liberalism", where's OldSchool been lately?
He's in Europe. He is my friend on facebook, and he occasionally posts about getting high, new drugs...etc etc. He's having a good time. That guy cracks me up.
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The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism.
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Speaking of "classic liberalism", where's OldSchool been lately?
He's in Europe. He is my friend on facebook, and he occasionally posts about getting high, new drugs...etc etc. He's having a good time. That guy cracks me up.
Thanks for the update.
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getting high kicks ass......
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"drugs are bad, ummmkay?"
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getting high kicks ass......
Getting high and reading politico, not so much.
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getting high kicks ass......
Getting high and reading politico, not so much.
You should definitely stop doing it then.
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getting high kicks ass......
Getting high and reading politico, not so much.
You should definitely stop doing it then.
I thought it was the only way you could read Politico. They have a sign that says 'you must be this high to enjoy the ride.'

Seriously, I think politico is as poor a website as there is in terms of political discussion. As I've said before, they are the TMZ of politics...and they aren't simply a site that is damning to one political party, they are damning to political discussion in general.

Op ed pieces are fine, if they are presented as such as opposed to being a news story. A site like Rasmussen Reports (rasmussenreports.com) does an excellent job of providing op ed pieces and presenting them as such.

Take a look at their recent political opinion pieces: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary. Pretty good cross section of pieces and presented as political opinion as opposed to what politico does, trying to sell opinions as facts. And Rasmussen is run by a ultra-conservative CEO who doesn't let his politics get in the way of solid journalism.
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